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[[old] Hal Morgan]

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[[old] monkey]

[/QUOTE]C2 is ruining their own game. My guess is that if they continue to do this, they'll regret it.[QUOTE]<br /><br />I very much doubt they'll regret it as its only you that thinks they're ruining anything and only you thinks there's anything wrong with the selection procedure.<br /><br />How do they sleep at night with all that worrying and guilt <br /><br />As far as I'm concerned there's only you ruining the spirit of erg racing with your constant whinging and criticism of how its done.<br />You were rejected because of your attitude which seems fair enough to me, you want to be thankful I'm not involved, I'd have a couple of security guys barring your entrance to any competition run by Concept2 like I would any other troublemaker.<br />It wouldn't be fair I know, but I wouldn't care either, I'm sick of you.<br /><br />Sorry people but the guys such a w**ker!

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-PaulS+Dec 1 2005, 01:44 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Dec 1 2005, 01:44 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->kind of like John Rupp asserting "facts" [right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />I've never let facts get in my way. <img src='http://www.d2ksoft.com/blog/images/smiles/whistle.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> <br /><br />Most of the time I just ignore them.

[[old] PaulS]

<!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Dec 1 2005, 03:49 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Dec 1 2005, 03:49 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-PaulS+Dec 1 2005, 01:44 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Dec 1 2005, 01:44 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->kind of like John Rupp asserting "facts" [right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />I've never let facts get in my way.<br /><br />Most of the time I just ignore them. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Now see! The Holiday spirit has me in complete agreement with you on this point.

[[old] mpukita]

<!--QuoteBegin-monkey+Dec 1 2005, 07:37 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(monkey @ Dec 1 2005, 07:37 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--> </td></tr></table>C2 is ruining their own game. My guess is that if they continue to do this, they'll regret it.<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><br />I very much doubt they'll regret it as its only you that thinks they're ruining anything and only you thinks there's anything wrong with the selection procedure.<br /><br />How do they sleep at night with all that worrying and guilt  <br /><br />As far as I'm concerned there's only you ruining the spirit of erg racing with your constant whinging and criticism of how its done.<br />You were rejected because of your attitude which seems fair enough to me, you want to be thankful I'm not involved, I'd have a couple of security guys barring your entrance to any competition run by Concept2 like I would any other troublemaker.<br />It wouldn't be fair I know, but I wouldn't care either, I'm sick of you.<br /><br />Sorry people but the guys such a w**ker! <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Monkey:<br /><br />I like your style. I also love to travel. My goal is to become respectable (enough) in my age and weight group to start rowing competitions around the world (and not be TOTALLY embarassed ... partially embarassed is OK) ... as an excuse to travel ... with my wife of course. When I travel to the UK or nearby, I want to buy you a pint (or 3) ... or whatever you'd like ... because I like your style ... honest and to-the-point. You've encapsulated what hundreds are thinking ...<br /><br />Regards -- Mark<br />

[[old] monkey]

Thanks Mark, I'd be pleased to accept.

[[old] mpukita]

<!--QuoteBegin-monkey+Dec 1 2005, 08:18 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(monkey @ Dec 1 2005, 08:18 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Thanks Mark, I'd be pleased to accept. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I like you even more now!<br /><br />

[[old] Steelhead]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Dec 1 2005, 01:44 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Dec 1 2005, 01:44 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Would your statements above be classified as libel, or slander? </td></tr></table><br /><br /> <br /><br />Just joking, Paul. Where's your sense of humor? I was just making a parallel between the USIRT selection procedure and the normal expectation of athletic competition based on official, witnessed trials, etc.<br /><br />I suppose I am just posing a hypothetical. If C2 wants to do this sort of thing with the USIRT, why not do it for _all_ of their indoor rowing competitions? Why should C2 have to give out hardware to someone that they (for some reason) don't like, just because they have a faster time? Medals and trophies should be for boosters and old friends!<br /><br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br />If it is written then it is called "libel" if it is spoken then it is called "slander." Together they are called "defamation". Truth is always a defense (maybe not in England as much as in the US).<br /><br />All in fun, right? Right.

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You were rejected because of your attitude </td></tr></table><br /><br />The only attitude I am suggesting to C2 is one of openness and fairness in competitive sports. If that is grounds for rejection, then so be it. That C2 prefers to distance itself from openness and fairness in this instance is stunning.<br /><br />To be fair and open about USIRT selection, all C2 needs to do is (1) state explicitly that selection for the USIRT will be based on the quality of the trials rowed, (2) publish the results of the trials rowed, and (3) provide a short explanation of how decisions about selection were made in instances where there were rows of similar quality in different divisions.<br /><br />That they will not do this is telling.<br /><br />If they do not do this, the USIRT is just a company team and the trials offered are a farce. The selection procedure is not a competition. The judges of the trials are beholden to no principles of openness or fairness. <br /><br />ranger

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->its only you that thinks they're ruining anything and only you thinks there's anything wrong with the selection procedure </td></tr></table><br /><br />There __isn't_ any selection procedure. That is just the difficulty.<br /><br />What we have is a public offer of official trials, whose results can be entirely ignored in favor of anything the selection committtee might think a more desirable basis for judgment.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->As far as I'm concerned </td></tr></table><br /><br />General principles (such as the best time wins in competitive sports) are binding independent of what anyone thinks or wants in any given case. That is the point. When competition is open and fair, just because you (or anyone else, or even the majority) want someone to win, that doesn't make them win. <br /><br />If C2 is operating under the principle that whoever they want to select for the USIRT is selected, then their offering of official, witnessed trials and therefore their invocation of the generally recognized principles and procedures of competitive sports is entirely inappropriate.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] monkey]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Dec 2 2005, 08:54 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Dec 2 2005, 08:54 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You were rejected because of your attitude </td></tr></table><br /><br />The only attitude I am suggesting to C2 is one of openness and fairness in competitive sports. If that is grounds for rejection, then so be it. That C2 prefers to distance itself from openness and fairness in this instance is stunning.<br /><br />To be fair and open about USIRT selection, all C2 needs to do is (1) state explicitly that selection for the USIRT will be based on the quality of the trials rowed, (2) publish the results of the trials rowed, and (3) provide a short explanation of how decisions about selection were made in instances where there were rows of similar quality in different divisions.<br /><br />That they will not do this is telling.<br /><br />If they do not do this, the USIRT is just a company team and the trials offered are a farce. The selection procedure is not a competition. The judges of the trials are beholden to no principles of openness or fairness. <br /><br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Thats not quite right is it Ranger, that is the attitude you claim to be taking now, not the reason you were rejected initially all those years ago. The attitude I'm refering to is the one you adopted prior to not being selected, we all know what that was so I'm not going to go into detail for fear of being as repetitious as yourself.<br /><br />Of course there's a selection procedure, if there wasn't then no-one would have been selected, you happened to drop out through the 'arrogant assh*le' grid on the way to final selection.<br /><br />I think C2 have been very fair, they even gave a second chance choosing you for the development squad this year, you even claimed you would keep your head down and do whats required. That lasted for about a week then same old same old.<br />Surprise surprise, you dropped through the same grid again.

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'd have a couple of security guys barring your entrance to any competition run by Concept2 like I would any other troublemaker. It wouldn't be fair I know, but I wouldn't care either, I'm sick of you. </td></tr></table><br /><br /> <br /><br />You condemn yourself with these words. I am making no "trouble" at all but making a plea for openness and fairness in competitive sports.<br /><br />The only significant causes are lost causes. All other causes are just effects.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] monkey]

I bow to your superior knowledge here, your the expert in condemning yourself with words.<br /><br />I'm simply making the point that IMO the sport and forums (US & UK) would be better without your constant whining.

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The attitude I'm refering to is the one you adopted prior to not being selected, we all know what that was </td></tr></table><br /><br />"We" do? What was the attitude that I adopted prior to not being selected? That the selection process would be fair and therefore a world record row by a world record holder was--certainly-- worthy of selection?<br /><br />Yes, I did indeed think this.<br /><br />Guilty.<br /><br />Let's see. I suppose I was also guilty of other things.<br /><br />I was "guilty" of thinking I could lose 30 pounds but not lose any strength and therefore time in the 2K, which I then did?<br /><br />I was "guilty" of thinking I could break the 50s lwt WR, which I then did--repeatedly.<br /><br />I was "guilty" of thinking that my odd way of training can be effective, and was indeed being so, which seems also to be true.<br /><br />Others?<br /><br />Unfortunately, I am still "guilty" of these things. So that disqualifies me? I guess I don't understand.<br /><br />ranger