Dwayne K. Adams, 5:46,2 Verified

[[old] hjs]

hmmm lets see. I think I can do a hm in 1.49 rate free, 2k in 6.20/22 , so you can do a 2 k in 6,05/10

[[old] gcanyon]

<!--QuoteBegin-PaulS+Jan 24 2006, 10:23 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Jan 24 2006, 10:23 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-gcanyon+Jan 24 2006, 09:53 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(gcanyon @ Jan 24 2006, 09:53 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->1. Get a team together. As previously described, each rows about 500 meters, with the end time for 2000 meters being the desired time. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Check the Rankings for people capable of being assembled for such a thing, i.e. 500M times faster than 1:26 (to allow for the swaps). There seem to be a lot at first glance, but then many are not in AZ or even very close to AZ, so even if this conspiracy could be orchestrated by someone on a whim (for a particular w/e, as the codes are date sensitive. I found that out when the date on my PM3 was wrong and entered a V_code.) it sure seems like a lot of trouble to produce an easily plausible time.<br /><br />Since this seems to be a recurring question, how about someone just go ahead and do whatever they can to hoodwink the process, and when the implausible time with the IND_V gets questioned, just admit, "yep, we just got together to make a point."? Speculating on how to do it is one thing, getting it done is another. Don't banks hire security consultants that do just this sort of thing to test the systems? Not that an "honor board" really needs to be all that secure, but that seems to be what some want. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />You're assuming I want to turn in a world-class time. Given that my PB 2K is about 7:30, I'd be happy to assemble a team capable of turning in anything sub-7 minutes. <br /><br />Obviously, pulling off something like this if you're going to claim a near world-record time is a whole different matter. I can't pull a 1:30 pace for even one stroke. I think I've gotten it as low as about 1:40 for two or three, but that's nowhere near enough to assemble a team.<br /><br />If _I_ were trying to game the system, I'd be looking for weaknesses in the hashing algorithm.<br /><br />Actually, I take that back. The hashing algorithm is still a point of concern, but if I were trying to game the system, I'd be disassembling my C2 and looking for where to attach the electric motor. They have no trouble whatsoever putting out world class times. <br /><br />Have I now speculated enough that no one will ever trust my times again? <br /><br />In any case, I stand by my original statement: the honor system is fine for an informal ranking system such as we have. For actual comparison when it counts, nothing but a race event should matter.

[[old] hjs]

to row a fast 2 k in four 500 meter pieces you need 4 strong fit man. it,s not that hard to find them. In the gym I used to train we did set up a team of 4 man. This for a 4 x 1. they did 3.10 on average. A 500 flat out on an average would be easy below 1.30 I myself could row low 1.20 in those days with almost no rowing at all.<br />Don,t think it's very difficult to do.

[[old] PaulS]

<!--QuoteBegin-gcanyon+Jan 24 2006, 12:06 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(gcanyon @ Jan 24 2006, 12:06 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You're assuming I want to turn in a world-class time. Given that my PB 2K is about 7:30, I'd be happy to assemble a team capable of turning in anything sub-7 minutes.  <br /><br />In any case, I stand by my original statement: the honor system is fine for an informal ranking system such as we have. For actual comparison when it counts, nothing but a race event should matter. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Yes, I was making that assumption, short sighted I guess, but a 6:59 isn't going to qualify for much questioning except in a few age, gender, and weight classes.<br /><br />For actual comparison when it counts (officially) there are races, though I'm pretty sure that all the pieces done in training can hardly be considered to "not matter", whether ranked or not they matter to the person doing them and if they want to share, the rankings are a perfect place, nothing very "official" about them, but they are trending that way, which may or may not increase their use or value, time will tell. It seems they survived many years without much verification, now we have heated arguments within months of tighter verification, go figure.

[[old] gcanyon]

<!--QuoteBegin-PaulS+Jan 24 2006, 12:23 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Jan 24 2006, 12:23 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-gcanyon+Jan 24 2006, 12:06 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(gcanyon @ Jan 24 2006, 12:06 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You're assuming I want to turn in a world-class time. Given that my PB 2K is about 7:30, I'd be happy to assemble a team capable of turning in anything sub-7 minutes.  <br /><br />In any case, I stand by my original statement: the honor system is fine for an informal ranking system such as we have. For actual comparison when it counts, nothing but a race event should matter. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Yes, I was making that assumption, short sighted I guess, but a 6:59 isn't going to qualify for much questioning except in a few age, gender, and weight classes.<br /><br />For actual comparison when it counts (officially) there are races, though I'm pretty sure that all the pieces done in training can hardly be considered to "not matter", whether ranked or not they matter to the person doing them and if they want to share, the rankings are a perfect place, nothing very "official" about them, but they are trending that way, which may or may not increase their use or value, time will tell. It seems they survived many years without much verification, now we have heated arguments within months of tighter verification, go figure. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I think we're coming at the same point from different sides. I'm certainly not saying that anyone's honest achievements don't matter, of course they do. I'm just saying that the rankings should never be taken as a serious, "official" method of comparison. <br /><br />If you and I are friends and we spar a bit in the rankings, that's great. If the two of us happen to be the fastest two men in the world, that's still fine as long as we share a mutual trust.<br /><br />But that trust _must_ be based on our existing relationship. There is no way to be certain that one of us isn't cheating based solely on hardware, software, or (potentially partisan or misled) witnesses. So if I trust you and you trust me, fine -- and I'm perfectly happy to trust everyone else on the rankings as much as I need to in order to enjoy my bottom 10% status. My personal goal is to move into the top 75% by year-end, but I should probably amend that to 7:10 and forget the rankings.<br /><br />Looking at it from the opposite direction, if we had no basis for mutual trust, and it really mattered to me which of us were faster, I would accept nothing other than face-to-face competition, preferably at a sanctioned event. It would be a stretch to even compare results from two different sanctioned events.<br /><br />I'm reminded of the quote (Kissinger?) "University politics are vicious precisely because the stakes are so small."

[[old] dmhayden]

I think I have the answer to how Dwayne got this time AND Chad Williams's questions about whether his times are real:<br /><br />Dwayne Addams is not a human being.<br /><br />Think about it! Is it really possible that a mere mortal could pull a time like this? I THINK NOT! And did you notice that Dwayne is from Arizona? Can anyone say "Area 51?" Can this be COINCIDENCE?!? I think NOT!!!!!!!!<br /><br />After extensive research with the Weekly World News investigative team, I've concluded that Sir Speedy is really an alien from the planet Erg. His space ship crashed at area 51 in 1946 (that's why he claims his birthday is 1964. Get it? 1946? 1964? DO I NEED MORE PROOF?!?). For the past 41 years, he's been pulling like h*** on an Erg, hoping to make it fly back to his home planet. At the rate he's going, he'll break the sound barrier sometime in the next 5 years.<br /><br /> <br /><br />Sorry, I just couldn't resist. On a more serious note, congratulations to Dwayne on a truly super-human accomplishment. Dwayne, I hope you don't take Chad's skepticism personally. Extraordinary claims really *do* demand proof. And you've certainly proved it!<br />

[[old] Ben Rea]

can you say.....uncalled for....