42195 Meters...tough, Very Tough.

[old] Godfried · Post by **[old] Godfried** » October 24th, 2004, 4:43 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (Xeno @ Oct 24 2004, 10:05 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>The absolute Marathon Record is held by Alan Geweke, where is he?  </td></tr></table> If there is only one, he is dead. <a href='http://www.row2k.com/news/news.cfm?ID=6370' target='_blank'>link to row2k</a>

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » October 24th, 2004, 4:56 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (Godfried @ Oct 24 2004, 08:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> If there is only one, he is dead. <a href='http://www.row2k.com/news/news.cfm?ID=6370' target='_blank'>link to row2k</a>  </td></tr></table> Quite a shame : "Alan Reid Geweke, a 2002 graduate of the University of Wisconsin, died unexpectedly on Thursday, August 29, 2002." What are the options for a "superhuman" athlete to die unexpectedly? Is it ever truly without some form of pathology? Surely a loss to the sport with his apparent talent and drive. - Paul Smith

[old] Xeno · Post by **[old] Xeno** » October 24th, 2004, 8:53 pm

What a shock. Did Alan commit suicide?

[old] Canoeist · Post by **[old] Canoeist** » October 25th, 2004, 11:48 am

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (grams @ Oct 24 2004, 07:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> Hi folks, Any hints on how to minimize time loss while drinking? ... So Paul & John, how many of us long distance folks have you baited into doing 2 marathons to prove the various assumptions for which is better, slides or not? grams 5'3" 62 years lwt fm 2:43:55  </td></tr></table> I do one handed rowing for about 5 strokes. I put my center my right hand over the chain just before going into drink mode. The model D handle is hard to hold this way, but my hands are large. My left hand picks up a squirt bottle and I drink quickly, trying not to drink when breathing. (Squirt bottles are better than straws because the fluid can be forced to move quicker.) I end my drink break with a large mouthful which is swallowed between breaths when I get two hands back on the handle. Not much time is wasted, and I get a quick energy boost by doing this every 5K. I have rowed marathons both on slides and off slides. Using slides is faster for me by about 1 second in average pace - or about 1 1/2 minutes overall. 2:43:55 is a fantastic time grams! The little old lady has quite a kick! Cheers, Paul Flack

[old] grams · Post by **[old] grams** » October 25th, 2004, 12:43 pm

OOPS!! MEA CULPA!! Make that 3:43:55. NOT 2:43:55 for me!!! Sorry folks, my typo should have struck fear into some hearts. Never in my wildest dreams could I do a 2 hours something. Thanks for the drink tip. I will give it a try today. I have pretty small hands, so I may have to work on that technique. If you do slow down, what is your method of starting up again? Several half strokes? One big one? Other ? grams

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » October 25th, 2004, 1:12 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (grams @ Oct 24 2004, 12:29 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> John & Paul, keep your suggestions clean, please.  </td></tr></table> Grams, Try using soap, instead of gel. This will give you a cleaner transfer of energy.

[old] Canoeist · Post by **[old] Canoeist** » October 25th, 2004, 4:08 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (grams @ Oct 25 2004, 04:43 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> If you do slow down, what is your method of starting up again? Several half strokes? One big one? Other ? grams  </td></tr></table> The last two strokes before taking a drink break are a little harder than the average. This gets the wheel spinning a little faster. Plus, there will be five to ten seconds of "easy" to make up for it during the break. During my one arm strokes, my pace drops from around 1:50 to around 2:30. When I get both hands back on the handle, I take a few shorter faster strokes to get the PM2 to read 1:50 again. Then I swallow the rest of my Gatoraide in my chipmonk cheeks before I choke. I think big strokes during a marathon is a mistake. I try to keep the load on the muscles well below their maximum. Cheers, Paul Flack

[old] grams · Post by **[old] grams** » October 25th, 2004, 8:38 pm

My version of 'big strokes' isn't the same as yours. My goal is to maintain a 2:29 average for the event, but I'm not sure I can do it. My idea of a power stroke in a long session is 2:15-2:22. Presently my average stroke is about 2:32. That's because I'm nursing a double case of 'golfers elbow' caused ( I believe) by biking on rough trails this summer. It's getting better slowly. I figure while I'm getting back in shape I can fine-tune the little things that can affect my time, like taking drinks. grams

[old] Godfried · Post by **[old] Godfried** » October 26th, 2004, 4:18 am

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (Canoeist @ Oct 25 2004, 05:48 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I put my right hand over the chain just before going into drink mode. The model D handle is hard to hold this way, but my hands are large. </td></tr></table> I put my fingers through the holes in the middle.

[old] Daren C · Post by **[old] Daren C** » October 26th, 2004, 4:53 am

If, as I've read a number of times, one's bodyweight isn't much of a factor on the erg, due to the fact that one isn't working against it, is there much of a disadvantage to just wearing a Camelback? I must admit I've never worn one at all, for anything. Would the liquid slosh around and screw up one's stroke, or is it just a case that it'd be to heavy or awkward? I'm yet to row a marathon. I've done 3 or 4 half marathons but they didn't require anything in the way of drinking breaks.

[old] SteveV · Post by **[old] SteveV** » October 26th, 2004, 7:30 am

Try a camelback on a stand with the tube nearby, a bit like a hospital drip. The bite valve on the camelback should stop it leaking. you can just get the bladder bit of the camelback then, cheaper than the whole rucksack

[old] Canoeist · Post by **[old] Canoeist** » October 26th, 2004, 10:09 am

I bought a Camelback before my first marathon. During my testing, it was very obvious that I wouldn't wear the thing. The additional weight moving back and forth is bad plus the straps will cause a lot of chaffing. I tried placing the Camelback on the floor. But, that turned out to be a bad idea because it was too hard to draw the liquid up to mouth level. I then tried placing the Camelback on a table. That worked OK, but I had to make sure that the end was higher than the bag when I finished. Otherwise, the drink would end up draining on the floor. I ended up switching to sports bottles and selling the Camelback. The bottles are simple to set up, cheap, and can transfer drink quickly (under slight pressure rather than by suction) into your mouth. Cheers, Paul Flack

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