Non Standard Workouts

[[old] Porkchop]

<!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Jul 25 2005, 03:05 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Jul 25 2005, 03:05 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Porkchop+Jul 25 2005, 11:07 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Porkchop @ Jul 25 2005, 11:07 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Squatting deep is not rocket science.  </td></tr></table><br />I surely hope no one takes such stupid advice and gets injured, because that is very likely what would happen.<br /><br />Anyone who wants to learn about full back squats should do so only under the direct supervision of an Olympic weight lifting coach, and I'm not recommending that anyone do that as they are certainly superfluous to anything meaningful other than competitive weightlifting competitions. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /> <br /><br />John, you <b><i><u>ARE</u></i></b> a nonstandard workout! And you accuse me of taking things out of context!<br /><br />All you folks who are thinking about starting full bodyweight squats better run out and find an Oly lifting coach (who will promptly laugh you out of his or her gym). I never suggested that someone who wants to go beyond general conditioning didn't need coaching. <br /><br />I don't know about you, but I started squatting 40 years ago in my parents' basement. I didn't even have a squat rack -- I had to clean and press the bar over my head before I could back squat it. Either I'm extremely lucky, or, maybe, with a little study and care, it is possible to learn enough to do things without injuring oneself.<br /><br />There is a big difference between a lady who simply wants to add a little resistance to her squat routine and someone who wants to enter the world of competitive lifting of any kind. I suppose you would suggest that when she finally gets around to putting that 15-pound standard bar on her shoulders (with no plates) that she needs to have two spotters at all times, too. <br /><br />But let me revise my advice: "Squat down all the way, stand up. When you are pretty comfortable with that, grab some dumbbells or a light barbell, squat all the way down, and stand up. Keep your head up, shoulders back, and don't round your back. Don't push yourself; go slow with increases in weight. When you think that you are ready to lift some really heavy weight, go look for a coach, or contact John Rupp." <br /><br />I got that straight from Dr. Werner von Braun, so it is rocket science after all. (Or maybe it was Luke Skywalker or Chewbacca -- Yoda do you remember?) <br /> <br /><br />Porkchop

[[old] Porkchop]

<!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Jul 25 2005, 03:24 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Jul 25 2005, 03:24 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I put up the weightlifting information to show that Porkie doesn't know what he's talking about.  Power lifters don't do full squats.  Yet he gives examples of how power lifters say that full squats are safe! <br /> <br /> </td></tr></table><br />In the immortal words of Ronald Reagan, "There you go again." <br /><br />If you would bother to actually read what I said, we wouldn't have to have these discussions. I don't know where you got that from, but it clearly wasn't from me.<br /><br />As a matter of fact, I would never suggest that one should use the same load for a powerlifting squat as for a full squat. I am fully aware of the difference, and, as I recall, I specifically told JaneW that power lifters do <b><i><u>not</u></i></b> do full squats, at least, not in competition. <br /><br />As far as I know, most of the published powerlifting protocols do not call for full squats. There may or may not be some who train using full squats, but since neither you nor I can be in every gym all the time to observe, we will never know for sure -- well maybe you will.. <br /><br />Porkchop

[[old] tditmar]

Here is a very good argument on the safety of squatting deep referencing people who actually did a study on the subject<br /><br /><br /><a href='http://www.exrx.net/ExInfo/Squats.html' target='_blank'>http://www.exrx.net/ExInfo/Squats.html</a>

[[old] tditmar]

...or what about Hindu Squats. Matt Furey, who I realize many may discount, advocates doing these aerobically. In the following article Clarence Bass does find some merit<br /><br /><br /> <a href='http://www.cbass.com/Furey.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.cbass.com/Furey.htm</a>