Us Indoor Rowing Team Selection

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » November 11th, 2005, 5:58 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Nov 11 2005, 01:31 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Was there a gold medal won by someone who tried for USIRT 2004 but did not get selected? Were there some selected that did not medal? [right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />There's a great idea.<br /><br />If a rower who was not selected gets a medal, then have their trip reimbursed by the selection committee, based on their being accepted retroactively for "the team".<br />

[old] grams · Post by **[old] grams** » November 11th, 2005, 6:53 pm

I just discovered the 'ignore person' feature in my profile. I find it much easier now to read the forum since I designated John as ignored.<br /><br />And, I'm all for taking underrepresented category members. More power to any lady 60-69 who can talk the talk and walk the walk.<br /><br /><br />grams

[old] kjgress · Post by **[old] kjgress** » November 11th, 2005, 7:22 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(grams @ Nov 11 2005, 05:53 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> And, I'm all for taking underrepresented category members. More power to any lady 60-69 who can talk the talk and walk the walk.<br /><br /><br />grams <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />Go Luanne!

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » November 11th, 2005, 8:07 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Nov 11 2005, 12:36 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>If you do a better job than the current selection team pehaps you will get the job for 2006.[right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />Here are the PATT percentages:<br /><br /><a href='http://concept2.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=1276' target='_blank'>http://concept2.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=1276</a>

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » November 11th, 2005, 8:21 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Nov 11 2005, 04:07 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Nov 11 2005, 12:36 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>If you do a better job than the current selection team pehaps you will get the job for 2006.[right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />Here are the PATT percentages:<br /><br /><a href='http://concept2.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=1276' target='_blank'>http://concept2.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=1276</a> <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />What in the heck are you talking about? Empty accusations are very tired, and frankly insulting.<br /><br />No more meaningless drivel! Come up with something substantive or just save us all some time and spend more time training.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » November 11th, 2005, 8:50 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Nov 11 2005, 12:36 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>If you do a better job than the current selection team pehaps you will get the job for 2006.[right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />You're the one who said it, not me!

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » November 11th, 2005, 9:23 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Nov 11 2005, 04:50 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Nov 11 2005, 12:36 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>If you do a better job than the current selection team pehaps you will get the job for 2006.[right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />You're the one who said it, not me! <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I'm hearing that you are being a nutter on the UK site also, did you think that the Euro folks would have more understanding for your Bizzaro World view? have you been insulting their Team selection process also?<br /><br />Indeed, I said that you should show your unique insight by selecting the Team as you think it should be, then it can be compared to the real thing. Then if your "fantasy team" produces results that would have earned higher positions at the EIRC, you can claim victory and you should be selecting future teams. I'm sure MikeT and TomT will be calling you up next year to help out if you can produce.<br /><br />Now stop whining and complaining and do something productive. I know the W&C is the normal CA thing to do but buck the system and try.

[old] Thomas · Post by **[old] Thomas** » November 11th, 2005, 10:09 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Nov 11 2005, 01:31 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Thomas @ Nov 11 2005, 01:22 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I think a person could pull an awesome time but if that person is not liked then you don't get picked. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><span style='color:red'><span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'><b>WHO?!?!!?</b></span></span><br /><br />This seems like such a bunch of crap! If something didn't go how people thought it should last year, C2 changed the procedure to be more objective and inclusive for this year, if anything. I think last year was plenty objective, and seem to recall that gold medals were won. Was there a gold medal won by someone who tried for USIRT 2004 but did not get selected? Were there some selected that did not medal? Do affirmations in either case mean there is any sort of conspiracy against anyone? I doubt it, and I'm a rather cynical fellow. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />Wasn't it Ranger that had pulled a world record time but was not picked for the EIRC team and instead went to the BIRC in 2003?<br /><br />I don't know what Concept 2 procedures are other than what we get told on the web site and then the follow-up to the actual selection of the team and I think its there that people form opinions that are other than congratulatory. Perhaps there is something behind what Rupp is saying, but it is just not coming out in a professional manner.

[old] Thomas · Post by **[old] Thomas** » November 11th, 2005, 10:35 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(grams @ Nov 11 2005, 02:53 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I just discovered the 'ignore person' feature in my profile. I find it much easier now to read the forum since I designated John as ignored.<br /><br />And, I'm all for taking underrepresented category members. More power to any lady 60-69 who can talk the talk and walk the walk.<br /><br /><br />grams <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />In the 2004 EIRC, there were four competitors in the Women's HWT 60-69 event. Half (two) of women that competed were from the United States Indoor Rowing Team. There were 43 competitors in the Men's HWT Open, 45 in the U23, 35 in the 30-39, 43 in the 40-49 and not one from the USIRT. I think there was just a tad bit of overkill.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » November 11th, 2005, 10:36 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Nov 11 2005, 05:23 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I'm sure MikeT and TomT will be calling you up next year to help out if you can produce.[right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />They haven't the last 3 years. What makes you think it would change?<br /><br />To the contrary, I think they like things as they are.

[old] george nz · Post by **[old] george nz** » November 11th, 2005, 11:09 pm

I cant get over the likes of Thomas and John and others who are critical of the selection process - heck it is a privately funded team, their money their choice.<br /><br />Anyone not selected can front up and race if they want, it is not restricted to teams.<br /><br />If you think someone should have been selected and was not, just put up their name and their performances in the year <b>'since the last time the team was selected'</b> and it can be discussed - by all means you have the right to do this. But if you just want to be critical or a wanker like JR and make stupid references to something that happened 3 years ago (and h*** who would want Ranger on any team) then give it a rest.<br /><br />JR a bunch of people put in their own money so you could have set of slides, who knows why, but that was their choice and their generosity. C2 by their generosity is doing exactly the same thing in funding a group on a trip to Europe, their money their choice. and dont give me any crap that it is a business decision, I doubt they would sell one more machine as a result of the exercise.<br /><br />All you idiots who are being critical are doing is both denigrating the performance of those selected and making it highly plausible that C2 would just fold the whole concept as a bad joke and then no one gets anything.<br /><br />George

[old] Thomas · Post by **[old] Thomas** » November 11th, 2005, 11:35 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(george nz @ Nov 11 2005, 07:09 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I cant get over the likes of Thomas and John and others who are critical of the selection process - heck it is a privately funded team, their money their choice.<br /><br />Anyone not selected can front up and race if they want, it is not restricted to teams.<br /><br />If you think someone should have been selected and was not, just put up their name and their performances in the year <b>'since the last time the team was selected'</b> and it can be discussed - by all means you have the right to do this. But if you just want to be critical or a wanker like JR and make stupid references to something that happened 3 years ago (and h*** who would want Ranger on any team) then give it a rest.<br /><br />JR a bunch of people put in their own money so you could have set of slides, who knows why, but that was their choice and their generosity. C2 by their generosity is doing exactly the same thing in funding a group on a trip to Europe, their money their choice. and dont give me any crap that it is a business decision, I doubt they would sell one more machine as a result of the exercise.<br /><br />All you idiots who are being critical are doing is both denigrating the performance of those selected and making it highly plausible that C2 would just fold the whole concept as a bad joke and then no one gets anything.<br /><br />George <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />The Ranger comment you made, "and h*** who would want Ranger on any team," is in line with Rupp's <i>subjective theme</i> that you can pull an awesome time and not get picked.<br /><br /><br />

[old] kjgress · Post by **[old] kjgress** » November 12th, 2005, 11:13 am

I hesitate to comment in what seems to have become a volatile topic, but: <br /><br />Keep in mind that processes do change and evolve. This year's process was different from last years and the year before that. Next year's may well be different based on this year.<br /><br />There are (at least) 2 world record holders on this team.<br /><br />The goal is maybe not to set world records but to compete well. There are plenty of fast people out there that aren't on the team and, no, not everyone going is the world record holder for their division, but all are strong contenders and will row well for the US.

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » November 12th, 2005, 11:41 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Thomas @ Nov 11 2005, 07:35 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>The Ranger comment you made, "and h*** who would want Ranger on any team," is in line with Rupp's <i>subjective theme</i> that you can pull an awesome time and not get picked. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />So the best you can come up with is that there <i><b>may have been</b></i> (3 teams ago) subjective reasoning to <b>NOT </b>pick someone? That's quite different from subjective reasoning <b>TO </b>pick someone. And even yet, I don't think george nz was part of teh selection team.<br /><br />kjgress makes a very good point about things changing as the years go by. Well, some things. The whiners seem to stay rather consistent.

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » November 12th, 2005, 1:28 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>repeating the same crap ditto ditto ditto about something that happened 3 years ago </td></tr></table><br /><br />At least get the years right, George. The 2003 team was selected _two_ years ago, not _three_.<br /><br />In 2003, I was the current CRASH-B champion and the world record holder (6:30) in my division, 50-59 lwts. In my official USIRT trial, done at a remote location on a designated day, I rowed 6:29, six seconds under my qualification time (6:35) and one second under my own world record, but was not selected for the team.<br /><br />That year, no other male rower broke a world record in their trial. Some barely met their qualification time. As I remember, at EIRC 2003, some of the rowers selected did not win and some didn't even race.<br /><br />I went to EIRC 2003 on my own money and won my race by 14 seconds. At the race venue, on the medal stand, I was introduced as a member of the USIRT.<br /><br />I also went to BIRC 2003, three weeks after the USIRT trial, and rowed 6:28, winning my race by 10 seconds, breaking my own world record again.<br /><br />ranger<br /><br />

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