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[old] Daren C · Post by **[old] Daren C** » January 26th, 2006, 10:03 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Niall @ Jan 26 2006, 01:40 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>How did you feel towards the end Daren?<br />What's your MaxHR by the way?<br /><br />My MaxHR is currently 201bpm (hit that during a 2K race in Abergavenny in December) and I managed to get my HR up to 194bpm during my 30mins r20 set. Hit this during my final 6mins when I was averaging 1:58.3 (felt like I was going to die after each stroke!). <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I don't know what my max HR is at the moment, Niall. I know that when I did my 2k PB, I would typically see about 183 at the end, but I haven't seen more than about 175 for months and months. It's not my heart rate going too high that seems to be my limiting factor at the moment, but the shortness of breath for one. For example, in today's effort, I was taking three breaths per stroke, two of them udring my dwell before the recovery (a significant pause in the stroke).<br /><br />I can't remember how my legs felt. Not that bad, I think; I could have pushed them harder if I'd been able to supply the oxygen, and not been gasping.<br /><br />So, no, I didn't collapse off the machine, but I didn't feel confident going any harder, either.

[old] Niall · Post by **[old] Niall** » January 26th, 2006, 10:12 am

I'm guessing that the more rowing you do, the less stress you'll have oxygen-wise.

[old] Daren C · Post by **[old] Daren C** » January 26th, 2006, 10:15 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Niall @ Jan 26 2006, 02:12 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I'm guessing that the more rowing you do, the less stress you'll have oxygen-wise. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Well, this week I've ditched my lower rate rows and have reverted to rattling along at 30spm for 8k or more. It seemed to do me more good last time, and if I can improve my times a lot closer to my 2004 level, I'll be happy.

[old] mumbles · Post by **[old] mumbles** » January 26th, 2006, 10:35 am

Cant wait for next months 300m challenge

[old] Daren C · Post by **[old] Daren C** » January 26th, 2006, 10:41 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(mumbles @ Jan 26 2006, 02:35 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Cant wait for next months 300m challenge <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Me too! I might be able to beat the women at that one. Might...

[old] dadams · Post by **[old] dadams** » January 26th, 2006, 11:01 am

For some reason the 300m seems to easy. I'm thinking that this is only because we've been doing such long pieces the past two months. <br /><br />Me thinks me will have a big surprise when the 300 roles around for the first time.

[old] Niall · Post by **[old] Niall** » January 26th, 2006, 11:32 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Daren C @ Jan 26 2006, 09:15 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><br />Well, this week I've ditched my lower rate rows and have reverted to rattling along at 30spm for 8k or more. It seemed to do me more good last time, and if I can improve my times a lot closer to my 2004 level, I'll be happy. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />8K at 30spm <br />Hellfire!!!!

[old] Niall · Post by **[old] Niall** » January 26th, 2006, 12:22 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(dadams @ Jan 26 2006, 10:01 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>For some reason the 300m seems to easy. I'm thinking that this is only because we've been doing such long pieces the past two months. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Nah, it's because you're not trying hard enough Speedy <br /><br />I imagine 300m is pretty much a case of go out fast and see how long you can hold it (and hope the answer's 300m!!).

[old] Daren C · Post by **[old] Daren C** » January 26th, 2006, 12:26 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Niall @ Jan 26 2006, 04:22 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I imagine 300m is pretty much a case of go out fast and see how long you can hold it (and hope the answer's 300m!!).<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I reckon so - after slapping the drag lever all the way up to 10. It'd be interesting to know what people rate for this piece. I reckon a lot will be 40+ short slide "cheat strokes". <br />

[old] mpukita · Post by **[old] mpukita** » January 26th, 2006, 12:58 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Daren C @ Jan 26 2006, 10:41 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(mumbles @ Jan 26 2006, 02:35 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Cant wait for next months 300m challenge <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Me too! I might be able to beat the women at that one. Might... <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I'm with you Darren!<br /><br />

[old] mpukita · Post by **[old] mpukita** » January 26th, 2006, 1:01 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Daren C @ Jan 26 2006, 12:26 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Niall @ Jan 26 2006, 04:22 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I imagine 300m is pretty much a case of go out fast and see how long you can hold it (and hope the answer's 300m!!).<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I reckon so - after slapping the drag lever all the way up to 10. It'd be interesting to know what people rate for this piece. I reckon a lot will be 40+ short slide "cheat strokes". <br /> </td></tr></table><br />OK, this is a great exchange. Let's make the most of next month. How about a discussion on strategy for the 300? I know the drag factor suggestions helped me this month, and I'm going to try one in the middle of the drag factor range I've used on the last day of the month assuming I'm not too sore (have put it off to be ready for Sunday's race).<br /><br />Any thoughts on strategy for the 300? Drag? Stroke rate? Full, 3/4, 1/2 slide? Etc.? I'm clueless about this distance.

[old] Daren C · Post by **[old] Daren C** » January 26th, 2006, 1:09 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(mpukita @ Jan 26 2006, 05:01 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Any thoughts on strategy for the 300? Drag? Stroke rate? Full, 3/4, 1/2 slide? Etc.? I'm clueless about this distance.<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I reckon such a short distance means that aerobic capacity won't feature much if at all, and it'll all come down to POWER! For me, that means the highest drag I can get on my machine, and just hope the legs are with the programme. That said, I haven't done a lot of experimentation, but the great thing about the distance is that you can readily experiment a lot throughout the month. Try high drags, low drags, fast rates, slower rates, short strokes, long ones... I'm thinking that I might set my PM3 to do 10x300m intervals with 3m rest or something, even adjusting the drag between intervals, then I'll rank the best interval as my piece. <br />

[old] Paul B · Post by **[old] Paul B** » January 26th, 2006, 1:25 pm

What we need is some inside info on sprinting tactics for next month...so Niall, when you are travelling up to Manchester on Sunday with Jumpin Jono, tap him up for some info <br /><br />For anyone who doesn't know Jumpin Jono, he's the guy who organised the MAD Team 100k world record...what he doesn't know about sprinting isn't worth knowing - it'll save us all messing about trying different variations of drag, stroke length and spm.

[old] Paul B · Post by **[old] Paul B** » January 26th, 2006, 1:27 pm

oops Jono is perusing our thread at the moment...so he'll know when he's being tapped up <br /><br />Never would make a spy me

[old] Jon Goodall · Post by **[old] Jon Goodall** » January 26th, 2006, 1:35 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Daren C @ Jan 26 2006, 12:09 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(mpukita @ Jan 26 2006, 05:01 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Any thoughts on strategy for the 300? Drag? Stroke rate? Full, 3/4, 1/2 slide? Etc.? I'm clueless about this distance.<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I reckon such a short distance means that aerobic capacity won't feature much if at all, and it'll all come down to POWER! <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /> <br /><br />I think you'll be in for a surprise! Look at 400m runners like Michael Johnson. Fair bit of fitness needed too. Bit painful this 300m!<br /><br />By the way, the best way to row a 300m is.......................... <br /><br />P.S. Just read Paul's comments while posting this!!<br /><br />Jon<br /><br />

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