Dwyane Adams - Fake Or Real?

[[old] kinley]

**** Please note that the following post does not address the claims of Dwayne Adams. "Chad" >>> Do not take my remarks out of context. **** <br /><br />

It is very posssible to have top times in the long events and lousy ones in the shorter ones. I'm proof of it, though I know there are people out there who would look at times like mine and say, she can't possibly have done that 10K, because look at her 1K and 2K times. Would anyone expect a top 100 meter sprinter (Carl Lewis or someone like that) to do a great marathon time? Or Bill Rodgers (yes I'm dating myself) to beat Carl Lewis at the 100 meters? Why is it so strange that someone could have good endurance and strength for long rows and not be able to do so well the fast rate sprint stuff? Or just not be willing to suffer the results of doing sprints when that seems to result in injury most of the time?

<br /><br /><br />Unlike track, all erg races are the same distance. Yet there are honor-system rankings in a wide range of events. What if runners could submit practice, or unsanctioned, times in everything from 100m to a marathon, but were forced to "prove" themselves, if they cared to, the 1500m? Many athletes would be competing out of their specialty. Others wouldn't bother to race.<br /><br />There's a tacit assumption on this board that everyone prioritizes the 2k. Not so. Carla has pointed out that some people are physiologically suited to longer distances. Others erg to improve endurance. For example, I row in the ocean. The highlight of my on-the-water season is a 20 mile race around Cape Ann Massachusetts. One does not prepare for this with sprint intervals.<br /><br />Nonetheless, this forum has inspired me to register for the Crash-Bs this year even though I haven't pulled a single solitary 2k not-a-one since the 2002 B's. (the technical term for this is "winging it") Thus, my public performance at 2000m will appear to undermine my self ranked IND scores for distance events, according to formulaic pace predictors. But I'm slow enough that no one will notice or care.<br /><br />And Chris,<br /><br />[/QUOTE]Anything below 7:40 would be a medal chance.

<br /><br />2005 winning time in HW women 40-49 was 7:05. Happy face for the winner; frowny face for the rest of us.<br /><br /><br />***Edit*** Sorry about the screwed up quotes ..... not sure what I did wrong

[[old] Chad Williams]

<!--QuoteBegin-slo_boat+Jan 19 2006, 10:57 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(slo_boat @ Jan 19 2006, 10:57 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If you are really concerned about standards, then propose some. Then we can discuss them in a reasonable fashion instead of having this debate about whether Dwayne is a liar. <b>I’ll even help you out by starting a different thread containing a proposal.</b> <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Yes. Lets start a new thread.<br /><br />I think I have made my point. Understand that I am not calling Dwayne a liar, when he rows a public 2000m and pulls a score that replects his on-line performances I will then apologise to him if he feels that I have offended him in anyway.<br /><br />

[[old] gw1]

Chad,<br /><br />You may win the race to 100 posts and you did it in a public race!! Ah but is it really you making those posts?? <br /><br />GW

[[old] Chad Williams]

Yes it is me Chad, but I can’t prove it. I look in the mirror and see me, is that good enough

[[old] mpukita]

<!--QuoteBegin-Chad Williams+Jan 16 2006, 07:11 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Chad Williams @ Jan 16 2006, 07:11 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I am 42 years old, a reasonably fit guy. I have been rowing many years. I have just been checking out the rankings on this site and other rowing logging sites the last few days.<br /><br />This guy Dwayne Adams can not be for real!!...............Can he?<br /><br />Is there any proof of his times? What’s the story?<br /><br />Not accusing him of cheating, but at 40+ years old pulling those sort of scores would make him one of the best athletes in the world.<br /><br />A poll to see if I am the only doubter is in order.<br /><br />Nothing personal or any offence meant. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Chad:<br /><br />Two comments from a guy who's been away from the forum for a week due to travel:<br /><br />1) Your posting certainly <b>was </b>an accusation. Just like a lawyer makes his/her point by saying something unacceptable and then "retracting" it.<br /><br />2) Why post a public message if you have concerns that warrant a posting. Why did you not send a PM or e-mail to Dwayne and ask him yourself?<br /><br />I haven't read, and won't read the 22 pages of postings that are in this topic. Sorry if this message duplicated hundreds before it. I just feel it would have been a better solution to communicate with Dwayne directly rather than to make this a public matter. No need for it.<br /><br />Regards -- Mark

[[old] slo_boat]

<!--QuoteBegin-Chad Williams+Jan 19 2006, 11:07 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Chad Williams @ Jan 19 2006, 11:07 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Yes. Lets start a new thread.<br /><br />I think I have made my point. Understand that I am not calling Dwayne a liar, when he rows a public 2000m and pulls a score that replects his on-line performances I will then apologise to him if he feels that I have offended him in anyway. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />You still don't get it. You called him a liar. Making your apology dependent on Dwayne proving that he is not is simply more of the same. Take responsibility for your actions instead of blaming Dwayne.<br /><br />This is proof of the adage that it is foolish to wrestle with a pig because you will merely get dirty and the pig enjoys it. <br /><br />I do not particularly enjoy the mud being slung around in this pit.<br /><br />There is a new thread called <b>Standards for Ranking and Records.</b> Let's hope that you can rise above your pettiness and make some meaningful contributions.<br /><br />

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-stansbie+Jan 19 2006, 01:40 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(stansbie @ Jan 19 2006, 01:40 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->OK! Here's one right out of left-field, but has anyone considered the possibility that Dwayne might suffer from stage-fright? </td></tr></table><br /><br />This could be it.

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-seat5+Jan 19 2006, 06:23 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(seat5 @ Jan 19 2006, 06:23 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->My best 2K (which is a few years old) is only 7:48.?  .  That's 1:57.  Just recently I did a 6K at 1:58.3, and a 30 min @20 spm at 1:59.5. </td></tr></table><br /><br />You are even more amazing than Rod Freed!

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-Chad Williams+Jan 19 2006, 01:35 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Chad Williams @ Jan 19 2006, 01:35 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I am going to turn the other check with regards to slo_boat and Porkchop as they are adding nothing to the topic apart from trying to pick a fight. </td></tr></table><br /><br />Agreed, and good idea.

[[old] Delilah]

I have to say I'm mystified by this thread - it would seem that the majority of contributors think Chad is a cad and a bounder for suggesting that there might be even the slightest possibility that Dwayne is Bogus. If that wasn't enough they then seem to feel they have the right to accuse him of being downright sneaky - not to mention insufficiently versed in the art of Bushido !!!! (wtf)<br /><br />Well about 3 years ago the UK over 50's HWT record at 5K was 17:20 (I might say that was a bit soft if I was brave enough) Suddenly the printed rankings came out and a complete unknown was in at 16:20 ish. Well I didn't believe a word of it and contacted C2 UK who told me it was verified. I still didn't believe and started my own super-sleuthing. To cut a long story short the whole thing was a fabrication and the new record belongs to a good friend of mine and I think I'm a proper clever bugger!<br /><br />So what were my motives?<br />Was I interested in fairer system of ranking so that all rowers could enter secure in the knowledge there were no cheats.<br />No.........I didn't give a toss<br />Was I interested because I was affected<br />Well.......a bt although I was never going to be the record holder.<br /> <br />I did it because my instincts told me it wasn't true and I wanted to know. I'm old enough now to have stopped worrying about those little faults and foibles that are part of my character for good or ill. I am what I am and things like this set off my bloodhound instincts.<br /><br />So .......I haven't voted in this poll but I now will.......I think on the balance of the evidence so far there is a better than even chance that Dwayne is at best a spoofer and at worse someone with mental problems.<br />So if he turns up at Crash B and rows a time that makes it clear he is the genuine article will I need to apologise and grovel?<br />I can't see why.....I've never met him .......all I am saying is that there is a serious doubt over his posted times ......it may be entirely a series of chance events and injuriies and if so then my guess will have been wrong. <br />I've been wrong on the basis of 'best guess' before otherwise I would be banned from the race track by the bookies. I don't feel I have insulted Tiger Woods if I bet against him but he wins anyway - this is just a matter of entirely reasonable suspicion and I am unable to see why Chad is getting such a kicking for stating what many clearly think (look at the current vote)<br /><br />Even I'm bored with me now<br />D

[[old] Andrew Burrows]

Well said Delilah .

[[old] Ducatista]

<!--QuoteBegin-Delilah+--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Delilah)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm old enough now to have stopped worrying about those little faults and foibles that are part of my character for good or ill. </td></tr></table><br />A neater trick is to stop worrying about all those little faults and foibles that are part of <i>others'</i> characters, for good or ill.<br /><br />Not that I recommend it. What's the point of living, if you can't judge others?

[[old] Porkchop]

<!--QuoteBegin-Delilah+Jan 19 2006, 12:19 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Delilah @ Jan 19 2006, 12:19 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I have to say I'm mystified by this thread - it would seem that the majority of contributors think Chad is a cad and a bounder for suggesting that there might be even the slightest possibility that Dwayne is Bogus.  If that wasn't enough they then seem to feel they have the right to accuse him of being downright sneaky - not to mention insufficiently versed in the art of Bushido !!!! (wtf) <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Bushido is not an "art," it is an ethos. Adherents of bushido do study a number of martial arts, but properly defined, bushido is a way of life and mode of behavior. That discussion would not have taken place had Chad not introduced the subject.<br /><br /><br /><!--QuoteBegin-Delilah+Jan 19 2006, 12:19 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Delilah @ Jan 19 2006, 12:19 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Well about 3 years ago the UK over 50's HWT record at 5K was 7:20 (I might say that was a bit soft if I was brave enough) Suddenly the printed rankings came out and a complete unknown was in at 16:20 ish.  Well I didn't believe a word of it and contacted C2 UK who told me it was verified.  I still didn't believe and started my own super-sleuthing.  To cut a long story short the whole thing was a fabrication and the new record belongs to a good friend of mine and I think I'm a proper clever bugger!<br /> <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />It does not appear from your description of events that you made <b>public </b>accusations of impropriety as your initial step. Instead, you made, it seems discreet inquiries and uncovered facts that led to a conclusion. That was perfectly appropriate. Calling someone a liar and a cheat right out of the box and demanding that he prove otherwise is entirely different.<br />

[[old] Chad Williams]

Oh look, it is the same band of 4 or 5 people, the “Dwayne Adams cheerleaders”<br /><br />Yet again you say I am a liar, show me any lie I have told!! If I keep lying you won’t have any trouble finding one to bring to my attention.<br /><br />I find it quite embarrassing for you guys, the way you suck up to someone that cant prove how great you think he is.<br />If Dwayne came onto the forum and posted that he walked on water this morning and he has a mate of his that saw it, you lot would believe it without a second glance.<br /><br />Dwayne can not prove that his rows in the rankings are real!! Is that a lie? He claims to be able to row 6000m at 1:36 yet can’t row under 7.00 in a public competition, is that a lie?<br />Did you know he can row a Full Marathon distance under sub 7 minutes pace for 2K, yet in competition he can not do it for a one of 2000m.<br />But, stick him in his garage or an empty gym (maybe a few mates around) he can then row you a sub 5.50 2000m, do you not think that is a bit suspicious??<br /><br />Why do you feel the need to take him under your wing, why won’t Dwayne speak for himself?<br /><br />Your merry little band of men have no where to go, you are in a corner. Look at the poll. More people at this time agree with me than you lot.<br /><br />The question was, are Dwayne’s times real, most people have voted no they are fake rather than yes they are real!! That means that they think his times are questionable.<br /><br />Accept it, ok, so you have a bit of egg on your face, but I won’t hold that against you in any way.<br /><br />

[[old] ehagberg]

<!--QuoteBegin-Chad Williams+Jan 19 2006, 01:28 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Chad Williams @ Jan 19 2006, 01:28 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Your merry little band of men have no where to go, you are in a corner. Look at the poll. More people at this time agree with me than you lot.<br /><br />The question was, are Dwayne’s times real, most people have voted no they are fake rather than yes they are real!! That means that they think his times are questionable. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />That's not exactly true - or at least the numbers for and against you aren't indicated in the poll... there's at least one of the more outspoken "don't care" voters who disagrees with you quite clearly.<br /><br />And of course, as this is an anonymous poll, who's to say that you yourself (and perhaps a few others) didn't sign up fake additional accounts just to inflate your poll numbers to your side. I certainly haven't heard 30-odd posters say they thought Dwayne's times were fake.<br /><br />Maybe your poll is fake?