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[[old] John Rupp]

It would be best to make the web page compatible with browsers.<br /><br />This morning I checked both browsers several times.<br /><br />Opera takes 6 to 8 seconds to load the new page, whereas Explorer takes 5 to 13 seconds. Normally Opera is much faster at loading pages than Explorer.<br /><br />The illegal path is still showing up. This is comparatively rare and there is only one other web site that I visit that has the illegal path, a weather site.<br /><br />Cookie Security Problem<br />A path in a cookie does not match the page address<br />You might want to ask the site's webmaster to set legal cookies<br /><br />The forum page continues to load in 1 second, and no cookie security problem.

[[old] PaulH]

<!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Mar 9 2005, 11:53 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Mar 9 2005, 11:53 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It would be best to make the web page compatible with browsers.<br /><br />This morning I checked both browsers several times.<br /><br />Opera takes 6 to 8 seconds to load the new page, whereas Explorer takes 5 to 13 seconds.  Normally Opera is much faster at loading pages than Explorer.<br /><br />The illegal path is still showing up.  This is comparatively rare and there is only one other web site that I visit that has the illegal path, a weather site.<br /><br />Cookie Security Problem<br />A path in a cookie does not match the page address<br />You might want to ask the site's webmaster to set legal cookies<br /><br />The forum page continues to load in 1 second, and no cookie security problem. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />The web page is compatible with browsers. It's somewhat slow, which is inevitable with a flash-heavy site (whether that is a good is a separate argument). I don't know about the Cookie problem specifically, but it could be a side-effect of this being a test site (as could the speed for that matter). I'm sure Bill will take it into consideration when the site launches properly.<br /><br />Incidentally, Opera has a US market share of approx 0.18% on Windows machines (I'm guessing other OSs would be similar). Even if that number is on the low side (I suspect it is) it's hard to justify spending a lot of time making allowances for less than 1% of your potential customers, especially when you have to spend so much time allowing for the 80%+ who use IE. I'm doing a site at the moment, so this is something of a sore spot!<br /><br />Cheers, Paul

[[old] John Rupp]

Paul,<br /><br />I've done a number of sites myself and always make them browser compatible using universal standards.<br /><br />Opera use, including my own, is often set to emulate Internet Explorer. This is because of script specially designed to exclude other browsers competitive to IE and/or Netscape. Thus even if Opera had 50% of the market share, most of this 50% would show up as IE and maybe less than 1% as Opera, making any such statistics not accurate.<br /><br />Opera is the 3rd most used browser, besides IE and Netscape. <br /><br />Using universal standards there is no reason why any web site that works with IE or Netscape would not work just as well or better with Opera. However the C2 site does not appear to have any problem with either browser but just with the cookies.

[[old] PaulH]

<!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Mar 9 2005, 02:12 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Mar 9 2005, 02:12 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Paul,<br /><br />I've done a number of sites myself and always make them browser compatible using universal standards.<br /><br />Opera use, including my own, is often set to emulate Internet Explorer.  This is because of script specially designed to exclude other browsers competitive to IE and/or Netscape.  Thus even if Opera had 50% of the market share, most of this 50% would show up as IE and maybe less than 1% as Opera, making any such statistics not accurate.<br /><br />Opera is the 3rd most used browser, besides IE and Netscape.  <br /><br />Using universal standards there is no reason why any web site that works with IE or Netscape would not work just as well or better with Opera.  However the C2 site does not appear to have any problem with either browser but just with the cookies. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />I'm impressed - there are very few 'universal standards' that all the browsers follow, so just using those to create sophisticated sites is a great achievement. Certainly it can't be done using universal standards such as CSS, without severely limiting your potential layout.<br /><br />Actually Opera is probably fourth, maybe fifth - IE is first, then Firefox, then Mozilla (including Netscape), and I'd guess Opera above Safari. It *may* be the third most common rendering engine, behind IE and Gecko, though it might come fourth after KHTML - I can't find figures broken out that way.<br /><br />What you say about Opera disguising itself as IE is true (though Firefox users have has had to do this at times as well). But either it is hidden, in which case we can't know its market share, or it isn't, in which case we do and it's very small. Either way it is not realistic to say it is the third biggest browser.<br /><br />We definitely agree on the cookie issue though - the non-IE browsers often highlight problems that IE glosses over.<br /><br />Cheers, Paul