New World Record For Lightweight Men

[[old] thojon]

<!--QuoteBegin-ancho+May 30 2005, 03:20 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ancho @ May 30 2005, 03:20 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Thorsten:<br />Congrats for your outstanding marathon time!!<br />You are from Bonn? What was your club?<br />My uncle used to row in the Rhenus, and they also did weird things as the 24-hour-rows, "blaues Fähnchen", and so on.<br />Your butt must be made of steel!! <br />I agree with your theory that if you are good in 2k it doesn't mean you have to be good in marathon, marathon has a whole other meaning.<br />But quite often, it works the other way round: my time in 2k is not exceptional, nor is my marathon time! <br /><br />Have a good row! <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I am in Bonner RG on the other side of the Rhine river, but the C2-marathon was on the right side (Bonner RV, very close to Rhenus), I know Rhenus well. 8 years ago, I was a good 2k rower. By far not as good as Xeno, but after all national champion in Germany. Nevertheless, my long-distance competiveness is much better. Not only in rowing but also in running and cycling.<br /><br />Thorsten

[[old] thojon]

<!--QuoteBegin-Canoeist+May 30 2005, 01:11 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Canoeist @ May 30 2005, 01:11 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Runners drink during their running marathons.  It is common practice.  The runners are supposed to pick up their own drinks and drink while running, if they can.  They aren't supposed to get any outside help.<br /><br />I drink during my erg marathons.  I place my sports bottles on the floor next to the erg before my row.  I have to slow down a little to pick up the bottle and take a drink, but I don't have any outside help.<br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />Paul Flack <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Paul<br /><br />I do it the same way. I think it is impossible to help someone in drinking during rowing. But every drinking break takes a couple of seconds (not only drinking but also taking and removing the bottle). If you are fast (you can practice that) maybe 30-60 seconds during a full marathon. This is after all 0,5 second per 500m or about 5 Watts<br /><br />Thorsten

[[old] Canoeist]

[/quote]<br /><br />I am also sure that you could do a much better 2k time than 6:25<br /><br />Thorsten <br />[/quote]<br /><br />I want to break 6:20 some time in my life, but as I get older, I also get slower.<br /><br />I suspect that my problem with the 2K is that I lack leg strength. I raced canoes for many years and my legs were only used to get the boat to and from the water. This lack of leg development is showing up in my sprint rowing. <br /><br />My lungs and cardio system, on the other hand, must have developed properly from all the canoe racing. This shows in the distance events.<br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />Paul Flack (49 years old)

[[old] ehagberg]

Er, yes I have rowed a number of marathons - at least a handful. One of them, at the end of the 2004 indoor season, got me the 2nd best time for lwt men 30-39. You can download my RowPro rowfile if you look it up. And no, I didn't get off the erg or drink anything once I started.<br /><br />Breathing isn't outside help - you are doing it yourself... now if someone pumped additional oxygen into the air you're breathing, that would be outside help. Moving your butt is fine - you are still strapped into the erg. And you can pee if you don't mind wetting your pants.<br /><br />Erging isn't punishment? I thought it was and that "that which doesn't kill me only makes me stronger" was true.<br /><br />Anyway, I guess that since people are allowed to drink during running marathons, they'll probably have to be allowed to do so during erg marathons as well. Too bad.<br /><br />Being able to complete the distance w/o additional hydration/food would add another level of endurance/conditioning to the piece, though.<br /><br /><!--QuoteBegin-ancho+May 30 2005, 10:24 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ancho @ May 30 2005, 10:24 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->ehaberg:<br />Have you ever rowed a marathon?<br />If you have done it under your selfimposed conditions, congratulations!<br />If not, and you feel so, try to row one under the rules proposed by yourself. Perhaps you'll save some time by not stopping to drink...<br />The time range for ranked marathons in 2005 went from about two and a half hours for the elite marathon ergers, to far miore than 4 hours for us normal mortals. Just finishing a marathon under any circumstances already is a huge achievement. Maintaining the tremendous effort without drinking is exposing oneself to non foreseeable physical consequences.<br />Don't forget, although it may sound strange, that we are just erging for the fun of it, and not because some sort of punishment.<br />BTW: is breathing air also an "outside help"?<br />What about having a stop to pee, is this a break? <br />And moving your butt if it hurts?<br />Maybe there also should be a rule against his, and we should stick our a** to the seat until the meter nr 42195 is finished?<br />COME ON, get back to the real world!! <br /> </td></tr></table><br />

[[old] ancho]

ehaberg:<br />Honestly: That's an outstanding performance. Try not to hurt yourself <br />Anyway, I think it is not adviceable as a general rule not to drink.<br />Some day we may have a longer discussion about the masochistic implications of erging... <br /><br />have a good row!

[[old] thojon]

[quote=Canoeist,May 31 2005, 06:01 PM]<br />[/quote]<br /><br />I am also sure that you could do a much better 2k time than 6:25<br /><br />Thorsten <br />[/quote]<br /><br />I want to break 6:20 some time in my life, but as I get older, I also get slower.<br /><br />I suspect that my problem with the 2K is that I lack leg strength. I raced canoes for many years and my legs were only used to get the boat to and from the water. This lack of leg development is showing up in my sprint rowing. <br /><br />My lungs and cardio system, on the other hand, must have developed properly from all the canoe racing. This shows in the distance events.<br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />Paul Flack (49 years old) <br />[/quote]<br /><br />Paul:<br /><br />You are "surprised that a person who can pull a 6:17 2K would have difficulty rowing a marathon under 2:40", I am surprised that a person who can pull a 2:34 marathon would have difficulty rowing 2k under 6:25. I know many people with a 2k time of <6:20 never being able to do a marathon in the region of your marathon time. You are a marathon specialist, at least on the erg. And by the way, a very good marathon specialist. I am sure yuo would be unbeatable, if there was a canoe-erg. <br /><br />Regards<br /><br />Thorsten<br /><br /><br />

[[old] Canoeist]

"I am sure you would be unbeatable, if there was a canoe-erg. <br /><br />Regards<br /><br />Thorsten"<br /><br /><br /><br />There actuall is an adapter for the C2 erg for both canoeing and kayaking <a href='http://www.paddlemachine.com/' target='_blank'>http://www.paddlemachine.com/</a> I haven't tried it.<br /><br />Cheers,<br /><br />Paul Flack

[[old] ancho]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I suspect that my problem with the 2K is that I lack leg strength. I raced canoes for many years and my legs were only used to get the boat to and from the water. This lack of leg development is showing up in my sprint rowing. <br /><br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I wouldn't call a 2k "sprint rowing"...<br /><br /><!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I am sure yuo would be unbeatable, if there was a canoe-erg.  <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />We use to row in the Olympic Canoeing Channel in Castelldefels (Barcelona). The guys from the Canoeing club have a canoe-erg. i'm not sure, it's called something like "K1-ergo", but I'll find out...<br />If you are interested, and someone teaches me how to insert a picture, I'll also post a pic!<br /><br />Have a nice row!<br />