What Strength Training Have You Done Today

[old] Porkchop · Post by **[old] Porkchop** » April 21st, 2005, 5:21 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Apr 21 2005, 04:04 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Porkchop,<br /><br />Could you please define what "erging" is, and how you would go about completing such an odd sounding exercise?<br /><br />Thanks. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Now I see why we have so many communications problems with respect to your posts. You don't know what erging is. <br /><br />Porkchop

[old] Bayko · Post by **[old] Bayko** » April 21st, 2005, 5:28 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Porkchop @ Apr 21 2005, 09:21 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Apr 21 2005, 04:04 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Porkchop,<br /><br />Could you please define what "erging" is, and how you would go about completing such an odd sounding exercise?<br /><br />Thanks. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Now I see why we have so many communications problems with respect to your posts. You don't know what erging is. <br /><br />Porkchop <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Well challenged!<br /> <br /><br />Rick

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » April 21st, 2005, 6:01 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Jim Barry @ Apr 21 2005, 01:14 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I do not know if many of you saw some of the events but there was one finish (the 1500m?) where just about every competitor fell to the ground at the finish. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />That doesn't bode very well for their triathlon careers.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » April 21st, 2005, 6:03 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Porkchop @ Apr 21 2005, 01:21 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Apr 21 2005, 04:04 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Porkchop,<br /><br />Could you please define what "erging" is, and how you would go about completing such an odd sounding exercise?<br /><br />Thanks. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Now I see why we have so many communications problems with respect to your posts. You don't know what erging is. <br /><br />Porkchop <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />It does sound very strange.<br /><br />What do you do, toss an erg around or something like that?<br />

[old] starboardrigged1seat · Post by **[old] starboardrigged1seat** » April 21st, 2005, 8:57 pm

Wow. That Decathalete is JACKED.

[old] Yoda1 · Post by **[old] Yoda1** » April 21st, 2005, 9:00 pm

Porkchop and everyone else,<br /><br />Your explanation to the supersets on the video (barbell thrusters and pullups) for time is exactly what I'm talking about. I can see both exercises being of value, but not under time constraints. I'm assuming that the gentlemen on the video had 45 pound plates on their bars. So, we're talking about 135 pounds to be literately throw overhead as fast as one can, then drop into a full squat position and immediately rise again to the overhead position. Besides the danger of falling over, I can see the posibility of several different injuries. I'm sure you can too, if you look at it honestly. Again, there is nothing wrong with either of the exercises, just the methods of Crossfit. When time constraints are set on an individual mistakes are made. When messing around with iron one can't afford to be injured. Cause then you're out of the game completely. Is this really a good SAFE method of training? Have you ever heard what is sounds like when the knee explodes at the bottom of a squat and the bar crashes down on the person head? <br /><br />I believe we are all looking for the same thing. That being well conditioned. I'd be willing to bet that your goals can be accomplished without the do or die methods. It may take a little longer, but then all of your body parts will probably still work. In my humble opinion there are going to be and probably have been a large number of injuries working out with time constraints.<br /><br />Jim,<br /><br />I love the Summer Olympics. When my wife retired several years ago we went to Hawaii for 10 days. The mistake we made was it was when the Olympics were being shown on TV. I made her get up very early each morning so we could go looking around the island and still make it back to the condo to watch that days events. She almost killed me. <br /><br />No Yelling. Just mumbling permitted.<br />Yoda<br /><br /><br /><br />

[old] Porkchop · Post by **[old] Porkchop** » April 21st, 2005, 9:17 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Apr 21 2005, 05:03 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Porkchop @ Apr 21 2005, 01:21 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Apr 21 2005, 04:04 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Porkchop,<br /><br />Could you please define what "erging" is, and how you would go about completing such an odd sounding exercise?<br /><br />Thanks. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Now I see why we have so many communications problems with respect to your posts. You don't know what erging is. <br /><br />Porkchop <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />It does sound very strange.<br /><br />What do you do, toss an erg around or something like that? <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Yes, exactly, Tabata erg throws.<br />

[old] Porkchop · Post by **[old] Porkchop** » April 21st, 2005, 9:25 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Yoda1 @ Apr 21 2005, 08:00 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Porkchop and everyone else,<br /><br />Your explanation to the supersets on the video (barbell thrusters and pullups) for time is exactly what I'm talking about. I can see both exercises being of value, but not under time constraints. I'm assuming that the gentlemen on the video had 45 pound plates on their bars. So, we're talking about 135 pounds to be literately throw overhead as fast as one can, then drop into a full squat position and immediately rise again to the overhead position. Besides the danger of falling over, I can see the posibility of several different injuries. I'm sure you can too, if you look at it honestly. Again, there is nothing wrong with either of the exercises, just the methods of Crossfit. When time constraints are set on an individual mistakes are made. When messing around with iron one can't afford to be injured. Cause then you're out of the game completely. Is this really a good SAFE method of training? Have you ever heard what is sounds like when the knee explodes at the bottom of a squat and the bar crashes down on the person head? <br /><br />I believe we are all looking for the same thing. That being well conditioned. I'd be willing to bet that your goals can be accomplished without the do or die methods. It may take a little longer, but then all of your body parts will probably still work. In my humble opinion there are going to be and probably have been a large number of injuries working out with time constraints.<br /><br />Jim,<br /><br />I love the Summer Olympics. When my wife retired several years ago we went to Hawaii for 10 days. The mistake we made was it was when the Olympics were being shown on TV. I made her get up very early each morning so we could go looking around the island and still make it back to the condo to watch that days events. She almost killed me. <br /><br />No Yelling. Just mumbling permitted.<br />Yoda <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Yoda,<br /><br />I don't think these guys started doing these at 135 pounds. They worked up to it. <br /><br />Why don't you ask the people who are doing it what their injury rate is? From what I have seen, it seems to be pretty low. Besides, a lot of these people can't afford to be injured, because they (the cops & military guys) need them to do their jobs. If they were experiencing a significant injury rate, I suspect that they would be talking about it.<br /><br />Porkchop

[old] Jim Barry · Post by **[old] Jim Barry** » April 21st, 2005, 10:01 pm

Just a little more on measures of "fitness" I like the one that Rob Powell does.<br /><br />For best time:<br /><br />2 Mile Swim<br /> 12 Mile Run<br /> 12 Mile Hike<br /> 1,250 Push-Ups<br /> 1,250 Leg Lifts<br /> 1,250 Jumping Jacks<br /> 110 Mile Cycle<br /> 20 Mile Row<br /> 20 Mile Elliptical<br /> 3,250 Crunches<br />Then:<br />Lifting 300,000 Pounds of Weights, (upper body only).<br /><br />I mean, sure the 20 mile (32,180m) row must have been a nice break there, but the other stuff? Holy... <br /><br />Rob's best (and formally the Guinness WR's) stands at 19 hours and 17minutes. The next best at this format is some 4-5 hours behind him. <br /><br />His background is Decathlon in college (and later a professional triathlete). <br /><br />But finally not to lose track of the thread..... <br /><br />I did 80 hindu squats this morning (first time I've tried that). Wow, what a burner! I may pay for that one. <br /><br />Making some progress on push-ups. 40, a new PB! (set a few minutes ago actually)<br /><br />I'm a little sidelined from the pull-up bar until my finger heals. Itching to get back as I really am making a breakthough here. I used to get really stressed (breathing HR out of control). I feel I have that all under control. <br /><br />Blew off the bike tonight. Not sure why. I think I'll make up for it this weekend. Guilt can be a good motivator.<br /><br /><br /><br />PS: Update edit: After I signed off this post originally, I pulled off 50 pushups.

[old] DIESEL · Post by **[old] DIESEL** » April 21st, 2005, 10:28 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Porkchop @ Apr 21 2005, 08:25 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><br />Yoda,<br /><br />I don't think these guys started doing these at 135 pounds. They worked up to it. <br /><br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Yoda, those weren't 45lb. plates. Those were most probably 10kg Olympic rubber bumper plates. 45lb. iron plates don't bounce like that when you drop them from shoulder level - they crack. <br /><br />Yoda, I am also not surprised that you are not too zipped with Crossfit - it is pretty much 180 to the SuperSlow work you espouse. <br /><br />peace, <br />D <br /><br />

[old] Porkchop · Post by **[old] Porkchop** » April 22nd, 2005, 12:08 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(DIESEL @ Apr 21 2005, 09:28 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Porkchop @ Apr 21 2005, 08:25 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><br />Yoda,<br /><br />I don't think these guys started doing these at 135 pounds. They worked up to it. <br /><br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Yoda, those weren't 45lb. plates. Those were most probably 10kg Olympic rubber bumper plates. 45lb. iron plates don't bounce like that when you drop them from shoulder level - they crack. <br /><br />Yoda, I am also not surprised that you are not too zipped with Crossfit - it is pretty much 180 to the SuperSlow work you espouse. <br /><br />peace, <br />D <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Actually, they were 25 pound bumper plates. The prescribed weight for the barbell thruster in "Fran" is 95 pounds. The workout is 21 barbell thrusters/21 pullups/15 thrusters/15 pullups/9 thrusters/9 pullups for time. This one of fourteen "benchmark" workouts through which crossfitters measure progress.<br /><br />Porkchop

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » April 22nd, 2005, 1:08 am

Regular Olympic bumper plates are 20 kilos, i.e. 44 pounds.<br /><br />Thus it looked like they were using 132 pounds.<br /><br />But if it was only 95 pounds that's not all that impressive at all.

[old] JaneW. · Post by **[old] JaneW.** » April 22nd, 2005, 2:52 am

Yoda and Jim, <br />No one's fault. We were all stating what we thought. The difficulty with discussions like this on the forum is one can not actually see the person being spoken to. Often words may be spoken or taken the wrong way as Diesel has claimed he was. I have never accused him of sneering at endurance athletes but only to prove the impossible task of determining who is fittest, a triathlete or a decathlete. <br /><br />A disconcerting thought appeared which I do need to shed light on.Those of us who were raised to learn how to discuss and debate issues will be comfortable doing so on this forum. However, others who were raised in an abusive environment may be intimidated, confused, and nervous when trying to prove or disprove a point. So, I propose that we all take care of our words because we each were raised differently in respect to family environment. <br /><br />John,<br />Thanks for the corrections. Yes, heptathlon was Jackee's event and her longest was 800 meters. I did not know that Mark Allen's training utilized no weights. A disadvantage for him since I believe in weights. I wrote the letter to Diesel from the top of my head and the evening was growing late. I did not check for my errors. Incidentally, another correction is that Decathlon was spelled incorrectly. <br /><br />Starboard, <br />You're a cute little one, aren't you? <br /><br /><br />Akit, <br />Thanks for your evaluation. I didn't exactly mention the purpose of my letter to Diesel and will tell him now. I may have spelled your name incorrectly. <br /><br />Carl,<br />I give two more hot potatoes and raise you another four! How's that for a comeback lady such as myself? <br /><br /> <br />Diesel, (saved you for last) <br />When two people are playing a game of chess, I prefer that we keep it between us. There was no intent on my part to involve a cheering secton which can often invite unsolicited attacks. Whether we each can prove our points would be based on our own abilities. My letter to you was to show you how many skills triathletes have and that the exlosive and raw power could have been learned from competitive swimming. The bike and run will have created strong legs for the running events in track. On the bike, the triceps are used heavily. For upper body strength and power, swimming comes into play. Need I say more? <br /><br />What I hoped to reveal to you is that decathletes will have an equally hard time to transition into the Ironman because of all the skills required too. My stand has always been that a decathlon is not easier than an Ironman event. I repect both. I did not think you knew the extent of how complicated the movements of cycling, running, and swimming were. Even the transition from one activity to the next is hard on the body. You did not explain to me why you thought that decathlons were more difficult that an Ironman race. What skills do they have in order to transition into the Ironman? <br /><br />What is your defintion of aerobics? Akit has mentioned it also but I rather we keep the discussion between us. The aerobics I am refering to is a constant if not increasing pain that one is dealing with throughout cycling, running, and swimming. Indeed, these athletes do go near anaerobic thresholds. If your definition of "aerobics" didn't involve any physical pain where the heart and lungs are used close to max at varying workouts, then I wanted show you that elite triathletes do perfrom with pain on all physcal, mental, and emotional levels. The Ironman is an endurance event in continuous movements of the body and definitely does not fit the normal definition of aerobics where a talk test is given. <br /><br />The reason I felt we were possibly arguing was due to an earlier statement where you used the words "bad ass" , " all show and no go" , " who wants to look like the skinny runner" ? If you read back, your statements caused me to wonder if you were a bully. Given your size, I've no doubt that you'll be the aggressive one in any antagonaizing situation. I since changed my mind and found you to be a fun individual.<br /> <br />If you read my earlier posts, I do not judge harshly upon Crossfit's methods and actually my style is close to theirs. I only question their remark of who is the fittest and their defintion of 'fitness" which they already claim is not the norm. <br /><br />I do want to understand your position for the pure pleasure of intellectual stimulation so I have no problem if you show me where I am wrong. By the way, I also study body sculpting and Timea Majorava is a woman bodybuilder who transitioned into Ms. Fitness competitions. We both are capable of doing many different kinds of exercises. She's defintitely more musclular than I. Some bodybuilders are not "all show and no go" which you eloquently stated. <br />Talk to you soon. Jane<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />

[old] JaneW. · Post by **[old] JaneW.** » April 22nd, 2005, 4:18 am

Diesel,<br /><br />My next reply will be off the forum since this topic has been discussed quite a lot and do not want to take up other people's time or space. I am open to continue our debate if you need further explanations. Jane

[old] Yoda1 · Post by **[old] Yoda1** » April 22nd, 2005, 1:16 pm

Yo Jim,<br /><br />Congrads on the pushups. You'll hit 100 soon. But I am wondering when the number of pullups will match your age. Ya Ha!!!!! <br /><br />Diesel,<br /><br />Now, that is truely an idea worth considering. Super Slow with the same exercises as on the video, but with out any time restrictions except for the individual rep itself. You are indeed a genius. Yeah, right!!!! <br /><br />Porkchop,<br /><br />Perhaps you'd be willing to attempt Diesel's idea of using Super Slow instead of the rapid fire program that Crossfit is suggesting. Same exercises, just at a Super Slow pace. <br /><br />No Yelling, only mumbling permitted.<br /><br />Yoda