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[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Too bad there aren't any competitions for them. </td></tr></table><br /><br />There are! The competitions are called 2Ks!<br /><br />As I like to view these things, a low rate marathon just confirms/verifies what you have achieved as a UT2 pace; and what you can achieve in a 2K depends crucially on what you can achieve at UT2. <br /><br />Why?<br /><br />UT1 paces depend on UT2 paces, AT paces on UT1 paces, TR paces on AT paces, and AN paces on TR paces.<br /><br />ranger<br /><br />

[[old] Alissa]

On the UK Forum, doczoc asked "Who is Ranger?...and why does he/she invoke so much ambivalence?" <br /><br />Thoughtful responses to that query by Pete Marston and Delilah (among others) gave me history I hadn't heard before, and I thought they were well worth reading. On the theory that others might think so too, I thought I'd add that link <a href='http://www.concept2.co.uk/forum/viewtop ... 3911#16391' target='_blank'>here.</a><br /><br />Happy reading.<br /><br />Alissa<br />

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-PaulS+Dec 7 2005, 08:58 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Dec 7 2005, 08:58 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You're quite a piece of work.  Perhaps you could bring some facts along to support your claim.  <br />I'm sure it was you that created a whole thread just to question my credibility.  (That seems like a Personal attack.)<br />I have never done such a thing to you, as your credibility is obvious. (Do you consider that a personal attack?)<br /><br />The only thing that has been consistent about your behavior is that it is inconsistent.<br /><br />Perhaps the lack of meat in your diet has caused some sort of physiological instability with psychological side effects, please get a check up and heed the advice of credible experts, it will help you.  No need to continue to be sad and scared, just address the problem and get it resolved.[right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />The sad stuff continues..... <br />

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-george nz+Dec 7 2005, 10:22 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(george nz @ Dec 7 2005, 10:22 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If you say to your students that there will be an exam <b>shortly</b> or in the next <b>couple of months</b> can they expect to wait a year?[right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />The University will be giving him his paycheck... very soon... shortly... i.e. in the next couple of weeks... actually it's ready right now... we shall see...

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Dec 7 2005, 11:12 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Dec 7 2005, 11:12 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->UT1 paces depend on UT2 paces, AT paces on UT1 paces, TR paces on AT paces, and AN paces on TR paces.[right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Even better George would be if his students took the same approach to assignments and exams that he takes to completing the marathons he keeps saying that he's going to do and the races he says that he will compete in.<br /><br />If they show on exam day and decide that they just aren't ready, they just don't take the exam. These things can take time.  How lucky for them to have a Prof. who understands these things.  </td></tr></table><br /><br />There are no assignments and exams here, and no paychecks. Just good judgment (about what to do when in order to maximize your improvement) and personal preference. This is free time, guys, just a hobby.<br /><br />Enjoy yourself, folks.<br /><br />You are getting hot and bothered by nothing.<br /><br />BTW, how is _your_ rowing going, George? What are your goals these days?<br /><br />ranger

[[old] george nz]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Dec 8 2005, 12:01 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Dec 8 2005, 12:01 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><br />BTW, how is _your_ rowing going, George? What are your goals these days?<br /><br />ranger </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />Tks for asking Rich ... my rowings going just fine and right where I would expect it to be for someone who has spent less time exercising in a week this past year than you say you do in a day.<br /><br />I have had a poor year motivation wise and training wise as far as consistancy of training goes .... couldn't be bothered competing as all you could really say about my time at the gym was that it kept me fit.<br /><br />I've plugged 2k in a couple of times and rowed in the mid 6:30's at about 28/29spm without to much trouble but did not really expect anymore as I havnt earned it.<br /><br />My failure to kick on from last year is no ones fault but my own so I have no complaints or worries on that score, it is not a big deal in the greater scheme of things. I am pretty chuffed that after less than 2 years on the erg I can still produce a reasonable time, but then again what I did last year counts for nothing as far as I am concerned, the only true measure of where I am at is what I can do now and unlike you I know what I can do,_you dont.<br /><br />Unlike you I dont live in the past, and in your case and increasingly distant past. I still think I have the potential to go sub 6:20 at 50 and if I do great, if I dont it will only mean one of 2 things. Either I never had the ability or I didn't put in the effort.<br /><br />Once again tks for asking<br /><br />George<br /><br />ps I hope you achieve some of your STATED goals in the next few months, it would be sad to see you lose any more credibility than you already have_if_indeed_there is any left.

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Unlike you I dont live in the past </td></tr></table><br /><br />The only relevant present is each day in training, George. If you train hard every day, as hard as you reasonably can, as I do, you are _never_ living in the past.<br /><br />Racing doesn't have anything to do with this, much less _talk_ about racing.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I hope you achieve some of your STATED goals in the next few months, it would be sad to see you lose any more credibility than you already have_if_indeed_there is any left. </td></tr></table><br /><br />Credibility? What is believed or not doesn't matter, George. It's what you do, every day in training, and then in racing, when you choose to race.<br /><br />I am _delighted_ with what I have done and am doing in both areas. <br /><br />I am the fastest erger in the world for my age and weight, by a considerable margin; and given that I have just learned how to row, and am still training to get used to propoer technique, I still think that I haven't reached my full potential.<br /><br />This is _very_ encouraging.<br /><br />My training has put me in the position to regain the WR in January 2006 and still have a wide margin for improvement, both on the erg and on the water, as the years go by. <br /><br />Who could ask for more?<br /><br />Credibility? With what? With whom? What could be more credibile?<br /><br />ranger

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I have had a poor year motivation wise and training wise as far as consistancy of training goes .... couldn't be bothered </td></tr></table><br /><br />Nothing wrong with not competing, George. Nothing wrong with rowing for benefit and pleasure, either. A 2K in the mid-6:30s is also entirely respectable.<br /><br />On the other hand, what you mention here is relevant to our ongoing discussion. As far as the possibilities of high achievement goes, loss of credibility with respect to what is said here is not a reflex of showing up for races, or showing up and racing rather than not, or anything at all to do with racing. It is exactly a reflex of staying motivated, consistent, hard-working, and smart in your training and therefore doing all you can to get better--every day.<br /><br />Since I have been doing this now for over five years at remarkable levels of effort and in the process have put down a remarkable record of race times at all distances, including the 2K, in fact, in the 2K at least, the best that has ever been done for my age and weight, and without really ever getting stale, injured, sick, or discouraged, I would say that the possibilities of my achieving what I think I can is just as "credible" at the moment as anyone else's.<br /><br />That is, if I had lost my motivation and consistency, my ability to show up and row hard every day, I would indeed have lost my credibility--entirely--with respect to any and every claim I have made here.<br /><br />I haven't.<br /><br />So...I have "no complaints or worries on this score" of credibility, either.<br /><br />I am indeed _doing_ everything relevant to this issue. This isn't just a matter of talk.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] ranger]

Sorry to Dwayne for bringing him up again, but it is interesting that when Dwayne switched from rowing at high drag and collapsing the major levers, pulling with a short stroke, as I used to do, too, his 2K time dropped 16 seconds, 4 seconds per 500m, from 6:03 to 5:47. <br /><br />There was no conscious attempt to do this, but I am now rowing comfortably at 1:52 @ 18 spm, which, in the WP is L4 rowing at a 1:33 pace 2K target. My 2K pb is 1:37, four seconds per 500m slower. <br /><br />And sure enough: With my old stroke, rowing at high drag and collapsing the levers, I used to do long rows at 1:57 @ 18 spm, rowing at a 1:37 2K target.<br /><br /> <br /><br />_Very_ interesting. <br /><br />I'm delighted with this. Getting this effect has taken a _load_ of sweat.<br /><br />My stroke on the PM3 is now a perfect semi-circle: fat middle.<br /><br />105 df.<br /><br />ranger<br /><br />

[[old] holm188]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Dec 8 2005, 05:49 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Dec 8 2005, 05:49 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I am now rowing comfortably at 1:52 @ 18 spm,<br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />For how long do you row at this pace without interuption?<br />If you stop, how long and how often during one hour?<br /><br />I don't want to disagree with your training, but I think your extrapolated 2k time is very optimistic. You will have a hard time holding your technique over a 2k at your anticipated pace (no more nice half circle) and with your emphasis on long distance row and your older age your pace/distance relation becomes flatter (maybe double distance add 2 sec).<br /><br />Anyway, my opinion does not matter, but I would appreciate an answer to my initial questions.<br /><br />Good luck in January 2006, Holm

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->For how long do you row at this pace without interuption?<br />If you stop, how long and how often during one hour?<br /><br />I don't want to disagree with your training, but I think your extrapolated 2k time is very optimistic. You will have a hard time holding your technique over a 2k at your anticipated pace (no more nice half circle) and with your emphasis on long distance row and your older age your pace/distance relation becomes flatter (maybe double distance add 2 sec).<br /><br />Anyway, my opinion does not matter, but I would appreciate an answer to my initial questions. </td></tr></table><br /><br />I haven't extrapolated a 2K time at all. So how can my extrapolation be optimistic? I don't know what I will be able to do for 2K with this changed technique.<br /><br />I will say _this_, though. If you can row 1:52 @ 18 spm for a marathon, you can row under 6:30 for 2K, even without sharpening. With proper sharpening, you can row well down in the 6:20s. Xav did a marathon the other day at 1:56 and 20 spm (that's only 11 SPI), and he rows just about 6:30 for 2K.<br /><br />If anyone out there knows of exceptions to this generalization, I'll love to hear about them.<br /><br />If you can row continuously for 2.5 hours at 14 SPI, you have great endurance and stroking power with great relaxation and rhythm. That's what the 2K is all about. <br /><br />Stops are getting optional now in my long 1:52 @ 18 spm rowing. I usually only stop now to regather my concentration on technique because something that was right no longer is. I don't keep track of how many times I stop and regather myself mentally, but it is no longer because I have to talk a blow physically.<br /><br />As I have said, I think I will soon just row continuously at 1:52 @ 18 spm for a full marathon (or further: 50K, 100K, whatever)--and unconsciously, with no need to concentrate on technique. I am just building mental and physical habits at the moment. <br /><br />BTW, I had _great_ relaxation and rhythm this morning, the best ever. <br /><br />When I row at race pace (30 spm), the graph on the PM3 looks just the same as when I row at 18 spm, a perfect semiciricle: fat middle. I don't race at 14 SPI. I lighten up to 13 SPI. Nonetheless, I don't need to row at a high stroke rate at all to do what I need to do for 12K. 13 SPI @ 30 spm is right about the 50-54 lwt WR: 6:26.<br /><br />This long rowing at 1:52 @ 18 spm is no longer exhausting. It just feels like normal UT2/UT1 rowing. It is also no longer hard muscularly. I have no soreness or tiredness from day to day. <br /><br />As a daily regimen, I have also been stepping for 1-2 hours at 300 watts after each erging session (about a 155 bpm HR). The stepping is a nice compement to the low spm rowing. As I can make the low spm rows longer and longer, I will reduce the stepping proportionately. For the next while, my goal will be to try to do about two hours of each every day. Eventually, though, I would prefer to do all four hours on the erg, and I think that might indeed be possible. A couple of years ago, I was doing distances comparable to that from day to day (50K, etc.), albeit at maximum drag, higher rates, poorer techniique, and a somewhat higher pace (1:56). I am now rowing at _very_ low drag (105 df.) and with proper technique, therefore, 4 seconds per 500 faster.<br /><br />The best marathon ever rowed by a 50s lwt is Graham Watt's 2:39:30 (or thereabouts). A marathon at 1:52 pace is 2:37. I don't know what the best marathon by a 55-year-old lwt is, but I would assume 2:44-2:46.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] PaulH]

<!--QuoteBegin-Alissa+Dec 7 2005, 02:49 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Alissa @ Dec 7 2005, 02:49 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->On the UK Forum, doczoc asked "Who is Ranger?...and why does he/she invoke so much ambivalence?"  <br /><br />Thoughtful responses to that query by Pete Marston and Delilah (among others) gave me history I hadn't heard before, and I thought they were well worth reading.  On the theory that others might think so too, I thought I'd add that link <a href='http://www.concept2.co.uk/forum/viewtop ... 3911#16391' target='_blank'>here.</a><br /><br />Happy reading.<br /><br />Alissa <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I added a little more background, in what I hope is a balanced way, <a href='http://www.concept2.co.uk/forum/viewtop ... 326#164326' target='_blank'>here</a>

[[old] Jim Barry]

Rich<br /><!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I am the fastest erger in the world for my age and weight </td></tr></table><br /><br />That's an excellent daily affirmation. We should all start our days with this pep talk. Drop the technical. Just say it out loud. <br /><br /><b><span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>I AM THE FASTEST ERGER IN THE WORLD!!!</span></b><br /><br /><br />Cue the beat. Shake the bottom. Rotate.