Us Indoor Rowing Team Selection

[[old] george nz]

<!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Nov 16 2005, 07:36 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Nov 16 2005, 07:36 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->.... his spot on the team.<br /> </td></tr></table><br />Gee John, imagine that. They gave someone else Ranger's God given spot - had his name and everything on the uniform and locker and they had to tape it out and pencil in someone elses name.<br /><br />Ranger is so lucky having you on his team<br /><br /><br />George

[[old] ranger]

Tim--<br /><br />Nice rhetoric, but it just doesn't wash.<br /><br />Ergs are not big boats. They are not boats at all. They are just exercise equipment, operated by one person.<br /><br />Dennis has never rowed anywhere near 6:29. At WIRC 2004, a couple of months after EIRC, he rowed 6:39.5. At WIRC 2003, he rowed 6:35.5 and I rowed 6:30, beating him by 5.5 seconds. At WIRC 2005, he rowed 6:43.8. The quality of Dennis' trial times are always veiled by the altitude adjustment.<br /><br />Yes, I did indeed wonder why Mike was selected in 2003 and I wasn't. In any estimation, my qualification row, in comparative terms, was better than Mike's. We are lwts in juxtaposed age groups. The times are easy to compare.<br /><br />I have nothing at all against Mike Caviston (or Dennis Hastings). I have never even talked to Dennis. I have chatted once with Mike, amicably, after CIRC 2003. I have learned a lot from Mike's Wolverine Plan and have always said so. I don't follow the WP exactly, but I use parts of it from time to time. I do many other things, too. <br /><br />I think it is unarguable that the selection process in 2003 was personal and political. My only point with these comments is that it shouldn't be, and C2 should say--explicitly-- that it won't be. <br /><br />If they do, I will be happy to apply for the team as the years go by. <br /><br />ranger<br /><br />

[[old] joanvb]

<!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Nov 15 2005, 01:36 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Nov 15 2005, 01:36 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Rich won his USIRC trial 2 years ago and broke the WR in the process.<br /><br />He was the only rower that did this.<br /><br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />He was not the only rower who did that.<br />Joan

[[old] PaulS]

<!--QuoteBegin-joanvb+Nov 15 2005, 06:19 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(joanvb @ Nov 15 2005, 06:19 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Nov 15 2005, 01:36 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Nov 15 2005, 01:36 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Rich won his USIRC trial 2 years ago and broke the WR in the process.<br /><br />He was the only rower that did this.<br /><br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />He was not the only rower who did that.<br />Joan <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Really? Who was the other? (I hear she was kinda cute!) <br /><br />PS - JR's not known for having accurate "facts", even though he talks tough.

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Nov 15 2005, 01:36 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Nov 15 2005, 01:36 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Rich won his USIRC trial 2 years ago and broke the WR in the process.<br /><br />He was the only rower that did this.<br /><br /> </td></tr></table><br /><!--QuoteBegin-joanvb+Nov 15 2005, 06:19 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(joanvb @ Nov 15 2005, 06:19 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->He was not the only rower who did that.<br />Joan <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Joan,<br /><br />Of course you did it too. <br />

[[old] Bayko]

Deleted. (What was I thinking?)<br /><br />Rick

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->He was not the only rower who did that. </td></tr></table><br /><br />I was the only _male_ rower who broke a WR in my trial, and, of course, many rowers, both male and female, were _way_ off that standard in their divisions.<br /><br />I am not sure what you intend with your comment, Joan, but your situation is exactly what would be expected: You broke a world record in your trial and (therefore?) you were selected. <br /><br />You _weren't_ excluded!<br /><br />Excuse me for thinking so, but honestly, it seems incredible to me that a world record trial would be judged insufficient for selection to the USIRT, in _any_ situation, especially in this case, where only one male WR was rowed and six males were selected for the team. <br /><br />If selection is really based on the quality of the rows, not some unspecified set of ad hominem criteria, as everyone seems to be suggesting, I just do not see what logic would justify it.<br /><br />In 2003, I was also _already_ the world record holder (and CRASH-B champion). This should have made the case even stronger.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] John Rupp]

Was Joan selected in 2003?<br /><br />There was at least one time she wasn't, though having a faster time than others.<br /><br />I agree selection should be based on quality of performances. Traveling overseas is not a development meeting. It's a USIRT team, as stated, and should be selected as such. There are not that many erg rowing meetings around the world and those who perform the best should be the ones selected to participate.<br /><br />

[[old] DavidA]

<!--QuoteBegin-Mike Caviston+Nov 13 2005, 09:29 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Mike Caviston @ Nov 13 2005, 09:29 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-joanvb+Nov 13 2005, 08:31 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(joanvb @ Nov 13 2005, 08:31 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I know Mike Caviston isn't on the team this year </td></tr></table><br /><br /><span style='color:red'><span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'><b>I’m not on the team this year??? </b> </span></span><br />What the… How can that be? I didn’t even bother to check, I just assumed I was! After all, the fix was in! If the bogus time I sent in for the fake 2K “trial” I did wasn’t fast enough, I could always send in a faster, more bogus time.<br /><br />Damn you, Concept2! Damn you all! Don’t you know who I am? Don’t you know how many records I have and how many races I’ve won? Don’t you know the “Wolverine Plan Discussion” thread is the only good thing on your whole crummy website? (Except for all those lame questions all those idiots keep posting under all my insightful training advice.) It’s sad that you have allowed your morals and values to sink so low as to so arbitrarily exclude me from the team. I don’t care, I don’t want to be on your lame team anyway. But trust me, you haven’t heard the last of this. I’ll return every year on this anniversary to remind the world of your hypocrisy. Bwah hah hah hah!!<br /><br />Mike Caviston – <i>the world’s greatest rower for my age, weight, height, and shoe size</i> <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />This is very good Mike. Thanks for lightening up my afternoon. <br /><br />David<br />

[[old] John Rupp]

Mike's messages always crack me up too!

[[old] joanvb]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Nov 16 2005, 11:33 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Nov 16 2005, 11:33 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I am not sure what you intend with your comment, ...<br /><br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />The intent was to correct the statement.

[[old] H_2O]

Ranger,<br /><br />Get over the historic selection crime. It's psychologically not healthy to dwell on it.<br />Byall accounts you are already out on a limb what with thousands of situps, hours on ellipticals and monstrous rows all on six hours of sleep.<br /><br />You are also putting yourself under more and more pressure to deliver astronomical times. <br /><br />This does not seem to be a setup for success.

[[old] John Rupp]

Awww Joan..... why did you change it.<br /><br />The first one was fine. <br />

[[old] Ericr]

What good is it to include somebody on a team when that person only wants to race when he is ready for it? Ready for racing in a pretty obscure sport and a not too competitive weight class.

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin-H_2O+Nov 16 2005, 06:00 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(H_2O @ Nov 16 2005, 06:00 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Ranger,<br /><br />Get over the historic selection crime. It's psychologically not healthy to dwell on it.<br />Byall accounts you are already out on a limb what with thousands of situps, hours on ellipticals and monstrous rows all on six hours of sleep.<br /><br />You are also putting yourself under more and more pressure to deliver astronomical times. <br /><br />This does not seem to be a setup for success. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Again, this judgment that I am "out on a limb" with my training, etc., has no basis. This is just the issue I have been pointing out.<br /><br />I have been training this way all along. And what has it brought me so far? Three straight world record rows, the highest imaginable success. <br /><br />I am not "out on a limb" at all with my training. I am just enjoying myself. I like physical work. And it looks as though the things I am doing in my training are yielding wonderful results.<br /><br />Sure, I don't train like most rowers. Then again, I haven't be a rower most of my life. I have been a marathon runner, swimmer, skater, and canoeist, among other things. <br /><br />How you are responding here to my modes of training are just what upset people here on the US forum when I first started rowing, but there really isn't any basis for this response. I do just fine with how I train.<br /><br />Why does everyone have to train the same way?<br /><br />Over the last five years, I have never been seriously stale, sick, injured, or discouraged; and I train every day. What I do is not dangerous, crazy, ill-advised, out-of-control, or any of the other things it has been termed.<br /><br />The six hours of sleep I get is just natural. I don't use an alarm clock. I don't have any trouble getting to sleep, and I just get up when I wake up. When I was younger, I needed more sleep. But I only need six hours now.<br /><br />ranger