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[old] Matt Newman · Post by **[old] Matt Newman** » July 6th, 2005, 1:27 am

Neatly editted quote from me that, Paul - gives a slightly different picture of what I was trying to say, but still - I maintain that its an effective sprint technique. Occasionaly you just have to throw the text book away and experiment. You guys shouuld give the "Matt Newman" sprint technique and see what speeds you get.... You might find you get a new max speed or (if you use the technique for the last 250m of a 500m) a new 500m PB. Now, if only I could figure out a cunning trick to get my 2k PB down

[old] Carl Henrik · Post by **[old] Carl Henrik** » July 6th, 2005, 4:59 am

Matt, Comparing our 500 and 2k times. You are much faster over 2k in comparison to the 500. It seems you have a cunning technique for the 2k. Perhaps it's not doing the Matt Newman that is the cunning trick. No seriously, I encourage everyone to experiment. My 500m strategy and 500m specific technique is not from any text book but has evolved from experimenting, however, any simliarities to a such is definitely not coincidental. I do admit, however, I have never found the idea of cutting the recovery short for a full 500m race good enough to try it ( I felt it was bad far before the 500m line ).

[old] Matt Newman · Post by **[old] Matt Newman** » July 6th, 2005, 7:25 am

Bl**dy H*ll, Carl. I've just spotted your 500m time. That is AWSOME for a LWT Great effort!!!

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » July 6th, 2005, 9:13 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(Matt Newman @ Jul 5 2005, 09:27 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Neatly editted quote from me that, Paul - gives a slightly different picture of what I was trying to say, but still - I maintain that its an effective sprint technique. Occasionaly you just have to throw the text book away and experiment. You guys shouuld give the "Matt Newman" sprint technique and see what speeds you get.... You might find you get a new max speed or (if you use the technique for the last 250m of a 500m) a new 500m PB. Now, if only I could figure out a cunning trick to get my 2k PB down </td></tr></table> Trying to be helpful is all, there is little point in becoming self satisfied when there is so much progress to be made. Very pleased to see you didn't say something like "Well, you are younger" to Carl, or I'd have to poke you a little harder for leaning toward the "what adjustment factor makes a performance look better attitude". Think of max pull this way. Watts = Joules/Sec, Joules are being absorbed by the flywheel at their highest rate near the finish of the stroke, the "sec" is the total time of the Stroke, the closer you can get "Sec" to 0 the higher the Avg watts, and thus lower instantaneous pace will be. I see absolutely no value in "max pace", unless it shows how quick a person can take an abreviated stroke. Perhaps this understanding alone will help you get a new Max Pull PB. There are a few tricks to improve a 2k, they have been discussed many times, and simply involve doing things that are highly Erg Specific and could not be done in a boat so are meaningless in terms of fitness improvement. i.e. If you train using the "tricks", they are no longer available for you at the time you want to use them for a race, where finishing first is the only objective. That said, the 23 seconds you needed in your race, to finish first, is outside the "trick" range. 5 seconds difference in pace is the difference between "Easy" and "Hard". Cheers!

[old] Matt Newman · Post by **[old] Matt Newman** » July 6th, 2005, 9:39 am

Cheers for feedback, Paul. Maybe its all an illusion & maybe I'm kidding myself, but maybe by transferring the workload from the balance of muscles used during my normal technique towards a balance of muscles that is slightly less tired at the end of a 2K I'm optimising the overall 2K performance given my physiology going into the race. NB - I'm saying maybe here - I quite concede that I could be 100% wrong. In oversimplified terms - when my legs are knackered at the 1750m mark, I start to use the arms & back a lot more - and whack up the spm. To give a running analogy - there are plenty of world class 1500m runners out there who have a strikingly different technique over the last 150m of a race. I'm surprised I don't see more whacky sprint techniques in erging. Like you, Paul: just trying to be helpful

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » July 6th, 2005, 9:51 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(Matt Newman @ Jul 6 2005, 05:39 AM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> To give a running analogy - there are plenty of world class 1500m runners out there who have a strikingly different technique over the last 150m of a race. I'm surprised I don't see more whacky sprint techniques in erging. Like you, Paul: just trying to be helpful </td></tr></table> Good point, and here's a response that I've heard attributted to a World Record holder that does a similar thing when nearing the end of a 2k. 'If you are going for the WR fine, but otherwise don't bother, it's just bad technique then.' (My paraphrase reflects how I remember it, so may not be word for word, but the meaning is intact.) Train hard, race easy....

[old] Matt Newman · Post by **[old] Matt Newman** » July 6th, 2005, 10:19 am

Interested to hear how anyone else gets on with wacky sprint techniques. Just for fun!

[old] Carl Henrik · Post by **[old] Carl Henrik** » July 6th, 2005, 10:56 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(Matt Newman @ Jul 6 2005, 11:25 AM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Bl**dy H*ll, Carl. I've just spotted your 500m time. That is AWSOME for a LWT Great effort!!! </td></tr></table> Thanks Matt, you're not too slow yourself. As a reality check I know Eskild Ebbesen has done a 500m in 1:20 something using slides. I suppose 1 or 2 seconds could be added to get lwt WR class on a stationary. Nobody trains specificly for the 500m though so...it's "WR" class with an asterisk (as has been discussed many times as well) . Talking about wacky sprint techniques... On the erg, if I have paced myself well, at the end of a 2k I usually find it very hard to do anyting different then I did the last strokes. This is good because it helps keep pressure up, but it also makes it difficult to "switch" technique or pressure to something higher. When I take the the decision to change rhythm and sprint nothing new happens initially, or even a drop in power output is registered. Then after maybe 5 strokes very slowly the watt value starts to increase, but only because I have the help of the watt display showing "this ain't working". I interpret this as strong suggestion not to try anything fancy at the end of a 2k in a boat, except for maintaining the rhythm and try pulling harder.

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