New Requirements For Ranking Pieces

[old] c2bill · Post by **[old] c2bill** » May 5th, 2005, 4:04 pm

paul - didn't you get your check for $1m? <br /><br />remember all - this new regulation applies ONLY to those who row a top three time in a given event. This means that this rule will impact a total of roughly 400 people - not counting 2k race times. This on a base of 28,000 ranking users. <br /><br />By my calculations then this rule impacts about 1.4% of ranking users.<br /><br />-bill<br /><br /><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ May 5 2005, 02:55 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(c2bill @ May 5 2005, 11:25 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><br />if anything this will make a top spot more valuable and credible than ever before - benefitting the top performers in all events. <br /><br />regards,<br />bill <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />You are exactly making my point here. Could you please explain the "benefit" of a top spot in the rankings? The World Record already has similar requirements, and according to some holders, along with $5, will get you a Latte at Starbucks (tip included). <br /><br />Working toward your potential has a benefit, this will be a highly individual pursuit, and in fact may lead to a "top of the rankings" spot for a few. The broad benefit is having a ranking in which a lot of people want to participate, not making the fastest times listed any more "credible". I'd guess that no matter what your policy, there will be those that simply will not believe the fastest times listed, of course, with the current "benefit", it makes no difference whether or not it is believed.<br /><br />"There can be only 1." <br /> </td></tr></table><br />

[old] whp4 · Post by **[old] whp4** » May 5th, 2005, 4:17 pm

Perhaps there is a slightly different way to remove the fur from this small carnivore that will serve all the interested parties better than the proposal currently on the table.<br /><br />Why not simply tag the results that have gone through all the hoops as having the Concept2 imprimatur, much like results using slides? Add in the ability in the rankings search page to select only those results with that seal of approval and those who only want to look at "official" results can do so. While you're at it, do the same for results on slides!(*) <br /><br />That way, we'll still be able to see what the Dwaynes, Andreas, Rolands, Annas, Joans, etc. of the world can do when the energy strikes them. If we choose not to believe those unofficial results for whatever reason, we'll still have a list of results that were blessed by Concept2. And those who feel that slides are cheating (or the only way worth doing) will be happy as well.<br /><br />Bill<br /><br />(*)This should be implemented in such fashion that one could include/reject results from the search based on slides, official approval, etc. independently, please.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » May 5th, 2005, 4:21 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(c2bill @ May 5 2005, 11:06 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>i figured that this would generate quite a bit of controvery.<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Well that was a red flag, wasn't it. <br /><br /><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>1. in response to Mr. Rupp - if your PR's qualify you for one of the top 3 spots in the ranking, then these rules apply to you. If not, then there will be no impact at all on how you enter times in the ranking.<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />How do you know or assume that I won't be top 3? You don't. It's very well possible that I will be, particularly coming up on age 59 in a few days and in a new age group 1 year from now. I'm already top 3 or close in some of the events for my age.<br /><br /><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>2. please remember that these rules only apply to a VERY small minority of users of the ranking. In order to row a top 3 time in the ranking (as compared to 2005 times) you must be very fast indeed.<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />You say the rules don't apply unless in the top 3. Don't the rules apply to everyone? If not, then why have them.<br /><br /><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>3. It is not a public event - but rather a publically accessible machine.<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Well then, even if I could smash all the WR's, that would leave me out totally for a top 3 spot. There are NO publically accessible machines in this area. Even if I put my machine on the sidewalk, or in front of a major shopping center, it would still not be publically accessible as no one else would be rowing on it except me. And non of those people would have a clue about what I was doing.<br /><br /><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>4. if you think that you will be able to row a top 3 time and can not comply with these requirements, there may be other arrangements - this is the reason for the 'prior notice'.<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />"Arrangements" should be equitable, and the same for one person as they are for everyone else.<br /><br />I agree that, otherwise, inequitable rules are a major step backwards.

[old] dadams · Post by **[old] dadams** » May 5th, 2005, 4:22 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(whp4 @ May 5 2005, 03:17 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Perhaps there is a slightly different way to remove the fur from this small carnivore that will serve all the interested parties better than the proposal currently on the table.<br /><br />Why not simply tag the results that have gone through all the hoops as having the Concept2 imprimatur, much like results using slides? Add in the ability in the rankings search page to select only those results with that seal of approval and those who only want to look at "official" results can do so. While you're at it, do the same for results on slides!(*) <br /><br />That way, we'll still be able to see what the Dwaynes, Andreas, Rolands, Annas, Joans, etc. of the world can do when the energy strikes them. If we choose not to believe those unofficial results for whatever reason, we'll still have a list of results that were blessed by Concept2. And those who feel that slides are cheating (or the only way worth doing) will be happy as well.<br /><br />Bill<br /><br />(*)This should be implemented in such fashion that one could include/reject results from the search based on slides, official approval, etc. independently, please. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Bill has a good point here. Isn't that what the two catagories (Individual, Race) are for anyway??<br />

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » May 5th, 2005, 4:27 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(raverlaw @ May 5 2005, 11:59 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>John,<br /><br />I live in Cambria, just an hour north of you, and I row on a C2. I'm not going to be competitive for a top three slot, but I'll be glad to be your witness if you are,<br /><br />Bill<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Hi Bill!<br /><br />You are now the closest rower that I know of in this area.<br /><br />Nice to meet you.<br /><br />Actually I do have a convenient witness, depending on what a witness is supposed to do. It might even be possible (although highly unconvenient) to take a picture of the monitor each time that I row a PB.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » May 5th, 2005, 4:29 pm

I would loveeee to take part in public events in this area. I have dreamed (fantasized) etc of having 10k match race qualifiers at some club, and then final match races a week later. Such an event would be very exciting.<br /><br />However, again, I know of absolutely NO public events in this area, and no public C2 machines. It would be nice if there where, but there aren't.<br /><br />In addition, like Dwayne and Steve, I prefer to row at home where it is convenient, and probably a much better environment. <br /><br />Even if there was a club with C2's I would not go there to row, and would not to there to row a PB.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » May 5th, 2005, 4:33 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(whp4 @ May 5 2005, 12:17 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Why not simply tag the results that have gone through all the hoops as having the Concept2 imprimatur, much like results using slides? Add in the ability in the rankings search page to select only those results with that seal of approval and those who only want to look at "official" results can do so. While you're at it, do the same for results on slides!(*) <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Yes that would be a good idea and something I would like to see.<br /><br />In that case, I would exclude all C2 preferentially biased and all slide times.

[old] c2bill · Post by **[old] c2bill** » May 5th, 2005, 4:34 pm

the requirement does not state anywhere that it is a public event - rather that it is a publically accessible machine - at a health club, gym, boathouse, university, etc.<br /><br /><br /><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ May 5 2005, 03:29 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><br />However, again, I know of absolutely NO public events in this area, and no public C2 machines. It would be nice if there where, but there aren't.<br /> <br /> </td></tr></table><br />

[old] dadams · Post by **[old] dadams** » May 5th, 2005, 4:36 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(c2bill @ May 5 2005, 03:34 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>the requirement does not state anywhere that it is a public event - rather that it is a publically accessible machine - at a health club, gym, boathouse, university, etc.<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />To all those interested....my home is now open to anyone that wants to use it.<br /><br />There...now I have a publically accessable machine.

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » May 5th, 2005, 4:39 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(c2bill @ May 5 2005, 12:04 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>paul - didn't you get your check for $1m? <br /><br />-bill <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Nope, it must have been lost in the mail, please have accounting cut a new one. <br /><br />That will make me nearly as well funded as the top rowers in the UK.<br /><br />Cheers!

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » May 5th, 2005, 4:42 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ May 5 2005, 12:21 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Even if I put my machine on the sidewalk, or in front of a major shopping center, it would still not be publically accessible as no one else would be rowing on it except me. And non of those people would have a clue about what I was doing. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Well, then you would all be in the same boat, so to speak.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » May 5th, 2005, 4:56 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(c2bill @ May 5 2005, 12:34 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ May 5 2005, 03:29 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><br />However, again, I know of absolutely NO public events in this area, <b>and no public C2 machines</b>. It would be nice if there where, but there aren't.<br /> </td></tr></table><br />the requirement does not state anywhere that it is a public event - rather that it is a publically accessible machine - at a health club, gym, boathouse, university, etc.<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Bill,<br /><br />Read my previous message again, "<b>and no public C2 machines</b>".<br /><br /><b>There are no publically accessible machines</b>, including not at any health club, gym, boathouse, university, etc, <b>in this area</b>.<br /><br />Even if there were, I am not a member of any places like that, and have no intention of being one.<br /><br />What is the attraction or purpose of such exclusionary "rules" anyway? Are such "rules" being suggested with the intention of giving additional preferential treatment to those who are members of such institutions, and/or without consideration of the majority of C2 owners who are not.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » May 5th, 2005, 4:59 pm

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » May 5th, 2005, 5:05 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ May 5 2005, 12:59 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>.. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Excellent stuff John! More of these and we will not have any more disagreements.

[old] whp4 · Post by **[old] whp4** » May 5th, 2005, 5:18 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ May 5 2005, 08:27 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(raverlaw @ May 5 2005, 11:59 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>John,<br /><br />I live in Cambria, just an hour north of you, and I row on a C2. I'm not going to be competitive for a top three slot, but I'll be glad to be your witness if you are,<br /><br />Bill<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Hi Bill!<br /><br />You are now the closest rower that I know of in this area.<br /><br />Nice to meet you.<br /><br />Actually I do have a convenient witness, depending on what a witness is supposed to do. It might even be possible (although highly unconvenient) to take a picture of the monitor each time that I row a PB. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />What a relief, I thought <b>I</b> was the closest rower you knew <br /><br />We need to get a few more people named Bill into this conversation!<br /><br />Bill

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