Magnesium Orotate

[old] Byron Drachman · Post by **[old] Byron Drachman** » January 3rd, 2006, 8:32 pm

I should add that I prefer munching on peanuts or indulging my addiction to peanut butter to get magnesium and trace minerals. Byron

[old] BobD · Post by **[old] BobD** » January 4th, 2006, 4:26 am

The norepinephrine was used to raise BP and HR in the rats. They hoped the Magnesium Oreate would reverse this. It had no effect whatsoever. Magnesium has been well proven to prevent or relieve cramps. Oxygenated water is snake oil marketing. Your lungs absorb oxygen, not your gut. Controls have shown absolutely no measurable increase in blood oxygen levels when drinking oxygenated water. This one is really easy to disprove.

[old] dadams · Post by **[old] dadams** » January 4th, 2006, 9:13 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(anthonys @ Jan 3 2006, 07:20 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>With all due respect, when was the last time you were a rat? My vote goes for snake oil. tony </td></tr></table> That's exactly why I'm asking. The only thing I've been able to find, is a study conducted on rats.

[old] dadams · Post by **[old] dadams** » January 4th, 2006, 9:17 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(TomR/the elder @ Jan 3 2006, 06:06 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Dwayne-- I saw a short reference to one study in which the supplement was used on triathletes, and they improved their times. <a href='http://www.bulknutrition.com/i16_Magnesium.html' target='_blank'>http://www.bulknutrition.com/i16_Magnesium.html</a> The guy's citing the study is selling the stuff. And as you know, you could spend half of the rest of your life finding references to studies of supplements that improved someone's performance somewhere. Tom </td></tr></table> Tom, Informative article, but it only talks about magnesium supplementation. I'm specifically interested in this magnesium orotate compound.

[old] NavigationHazard · Post by **[old] NavigationHazard** » January 4th, 2006, 9:46 am

Quite a few of the sites promoting magnesium orotate cite the same 1998 German study of triathletes. I'm off campus, and I don't know if we subscribe to the journal anyway, so I can't easily look at the actual paper. But given that no one is quoting concrete results/conclusions from it, as well as the fact that six years after the fact it seems to remain the sole study even hinting at endurance effects from the stuff, I'm inclined to be extremely suspicious. You'd think that if it actually worked as advertised, a) I would have heard of it; and it would be possible to turn up solid research proving the claimed effect. Near as I can tell, the original ideas of the 'founding father' of mag. orotate (Hans Nieper) have been more or less poo-poohed as quackery by the maistream medical community. In Wales, government health insurance won't pay for it. Over here, the USFDA apparently has tried for years to block some of the more preposterous claims for the stuff. But because it's being marketed as a 'nutritional supplement,' it's outside the purview of the drug regulators. People are free to be as misleading and exaggerated in pushing it as the fraud laws will allow. For example, it may well be accurate to claim that "endurance athletes are taking it to improve performance." Whether it has any effect whatsoever on their results is another matter. Alternatively, you'll frequently read that "East Bloc athletes took magnesium orotate for years." Well, maybe they did and maybe they didn't. But the spectacular results of (say) East German swimmers and other athletes probably had a lot more to do with the anabolic steroids they also were taking and/or blood doping and/or other banned practices. As someone else (Roland?) already has said, there's no doubt that some substances will improve athletic performance, at least in the short term. Cocaine will, for example. So too will caffeine, which has the advantage of being legal even though it too is (mildly) addictive. But IMO that's no reason to swallow the hype of the supplement industry uncritically, along with its frequently expensive products....

[old] raymond botha · Post by **[old] raymond botha** » January 5th, 2006, 4:14 am

Hi Dwayne , Interesting topic indeed. My own experience has revealed the following : <a href='http://www.cellfood.com/Pretoria%20Study.pdf' target='_blank'>http://www.cellfood.com/Pretoria%20Study.pdf</a> No rats where used for testing , only performance athletes. It works for me . Regards Ray

[old] dadams · Post by **[old] dadams** » January 5th, 2006, 11:04 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(raymond botha @ Jan 5 2006, 03:14 AM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Hi Dwayne , Interesting topic indeed. My own experience has revealed the following : <a href='http://www.cellfood.com/Pretoria%20Study.pdf' target='_blank'>http://www.cellfood.com/Pretoria%20Study.pdf</a> No rats where used for testing , only performance athletes. It works for me . Regards Ray </td></tr></table> Ray, Thanks for the report. Not exactly Mag. Orotate, but a great report. I'm going to give this stuff a try.

[old] ancho · Post by **[old] ancho** » January 5th, 2006, 11:22 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(Paul S @ Jan 4 2006, 12:03 AM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Just think how much better our air would be if every Concept rower was equiped with a "C Breeze" I know my bedroom is so much fresher now. That's a good one Paul. </td></tr></table> Are you sleeping with your C-Breeze? Where do you put it??

[old] raymond botha · Post by **[old] raymond botha** » January 5th, 2006, 11:25 am

Hi Dwayne, The trick for me is to take as much as I can tolerate as it will also detox the body. I use 25 drops in the morning and then another 20 before I train in the evening. An added benefit is incredible mental alertness much like coffee , which I have subsequently given up. I combine this with 8 capsules of MSM which acts as a natural pain killer. Its less toxic than water and much like Ibuprofen in that it prevents inflammation. I find at my age (40) I need all the help to recuperate , killing yourself on the erg is the easy part Ray

[old] dadams · Post by **[old] dadams** » January 5th, 2006, 11:31 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(raymond botha @ Jan 5 2006, 10:25 AM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Hi Dwayne, The trick for me is to take as much as I can tolerate as it will also detox the body. I use 25 drops in the morning and then another 20 before I train in the evening. An added benefit is incredible mental alertness much like coffee , which I have subsequently given up. I combine this with 8 capsules of MSM which acts as a natural pain killer. Its less toxic than water and much like Ibuprofen in that it prevents inflammation. I find at my age (40) I need all the help to recuperate , killing yourself on the erg is the easy part Ray </td></tr></table> That's interesting that you use that amount. Is that the recommended dosage? From what was reported, they got their best results using 15 to 17 drops (even though they increased the dosage from cycle to cycle).

[old] raymond botha · Post by **[old] raymond botha** » January 5th, 2006, 1:21 pm

There's a very interesting pamphlet that comes in the packaging that recommends 15-50 drops per day where performance is concerned . This is from end page 22/3: <a href='http://www.cellfood.com/Pretoria%20Study.pdf' target='_blank'>http://www.cellfood.com/Pretoria%20Study.pdf</a> PRODUCT COMPARISON REGARDING DOSAGE EFFICACY Summary: Cellfood "It is clear that a certain pattern exists regarding the optimal dosage for performance when using the Celfood® product. Concerning the haematology and the lactate accumulation Cellfood was the most effective using a dosage of 39.2ml (35 drops once per day) while Cellfood showed the best results in all the other variables when the subjects took a dosage of 44.8ml (40 drops once per day). " "This indicates that Cellfood® is more effective when it is administered at the higher of the tested dosages. Further studies could possibly answer the question if Cellfood® would reach an upper “threshold” dosage where after the efficacy would show a decline. In conclusion it would be best for athletes to make use of Cellfood® at a higher dosage to ensure better performance." The way I understand it is that the 17 drops are a minimum. If you look at page 5 of the online document you will see they had 3 cycles with the 3rd using 40drops. I'm sure you will feel more comfortable after having read the package insert. Ray

[old] raymond botha · Post by **[old] raymond botha** » January 5th, 2006, 1:28 pm

This is supposed to be a summary of those tests ; <a href='http://www.luminahealth.com/images/Cell ... _Study.pdf' target='_blank'>http://www.luminahealth.com/images/Cell ... udy.pdf</a>

[old] dadams · Post by **[old] dadams** » January 5th, 2006, 1:58 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(raymond botha @ Jan 5 2006, 12:21 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>"This indicates that Cellfood® is more effective when it is administered at the higher of the tested dosages. Further studies could possibly answer the question if Cellfood® would reach an upper “threshold” dosage where after the efficacy would show a decline. In conclusion it would be best for athletes to make use of Cellfood® at a higher dosage to ensure better performance." The way I understand it is that the 17 drops are a minimum. If you look at page 5 of the online document you will see they had 3 cycles with the 3rd using 40drops. I'm sure you will feel more comfortable after having read the package insert. Ray </td></tr></table> Missed that, sorry.

[old] dadams · Post by **[old] dadams** » January 5th, 2006, 2:04 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(raymond botha @ Jan 5 2006, 12:28 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>This is supposed to be a summary of those tests ; <a href='http://www.luminahealth.com/images/Cell ... _Study.pdf' target='_blank'>http://www.luminahealth.com/images/Cell ... udy.pdf</a> </td></tr></table> Great summary. Thanks.

[old] Cant Climb · Post by **[old] Cant Climb** » January 6th, 2006, 10:27 am

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