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[[old] ranger]

You might take this to heart, Nav. You are one of these big men, too. What will the next fiive years bring your way, if you don't do something to prevent it?<br /><br />ranger

[[old] Chad Williams]

Ranger, If's do not count. From the training you have put on this forum (I have checked a large number of you posts), nothing points to you being able to row a 6:22 for a 2000m<br /><br /><br /><br />

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin-Chad Williams+Jan 27 2006, 02:23 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Chad Williams @ Jan 27 2006, 02:23 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Ranger, If's do not count. From the training you have put on this forum (I have checked a large number of you posts), nothing points to you being able to row a 6:22 for a 2000m <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Indeed. Ifs don't count squat.<br /><br />See you at WIRC!<br /><br />(And then at BIRC 2006!)<br /><br />You might also stay tuned to the workouts that I get done over the next month. <br /><br />I haven't been racing. I have been getting better. Now is the time to show how much.<br /><br />Nice bit of work this morning.<br /><br />An hour of skipping, 15K UT1, 4 x 500m @ 1:34, 105 minutes on the stepper at 300 watts. <br /><br />Second session this afternoon. <br /><br />Before WIRC, I think I will get 8 x 500m done in a solid 1:32, perhaps faster. This will be a nice 2 second per 500m gain over what I was able to do in 2003, when I rowed 6:28. <br /><br />I am now rowing with 12-12.5 watts per stroke at 110 df. In 2003, I rowed at 10.7 watts per stroke at 200 df.<br /><br />Needless to say, my technique has improved a bit. Over the last two years, I learned how to row!<br /><br />ranger<br />

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Jan 27 2006, 12:18 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Jan 27 2006, 12:18 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I am now rowing with 12-12.5 watts per stroke at 110 df. </td></tr></table><br /><br />Wow! <br /><br />I just calculated that 12.5 watts per stroke is a pace of 5:03.7 for 500 meters.<br /><br />You should be well rested for the race!

[[old] NavigationHazard]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Jan 27 2006, 02:21 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Jan 27 2006, 02:21 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You might take this to heart, Nav. You are one of these big men, too. What will the next fiive years bring your way, if you don't do something to prevent it?<br /><br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />If nothing else, the pleasure of blowing you all the way back to Ann Arbor if you show at the 2010 BIRC or EIRC and try to race 55-year-old me as a 59-year-old faux-HW. You're happy about the prospect of someday rowing 8 x 500m 3:30 rest in faster than 1:34 r thirty-zillion. I think I could roll out of bed this morning and do them with that kind of rest in 1:34 r24. Tell you what, I'll wave back to you in 2010 as I cross the finish line, unstrap myself, and wander over to cox you through the last 200m.<br /><br />And what makes you think I've already reached my peak, whereas you haven't? <br />Or that your much-ballyhooed technique is so loftily superior to mine that you can lecture me from on high about how I don't have any? <br />

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin-NavigationHazard+Jan 27 2006, 03:57 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(NavigationHazard @ Jan 27 2006, 03:57 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Jan 27 2006, 02:21 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Jan 27 2006, 02:21 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You might take this to heart, Nav. You are one of these big men, too. What will the next fiive years bring your way, if you don't do something to prevent it?<br /><br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />If nothing else, the pleasure of blowing you all the way back to Ann Arbor if you show at the 2010 BIRC or EIRC and try to race 55-year-old me as a 59-year-old faux-HW. You're happy about the prospect of someday rowing 8 x 500m 3:30 rest in faster than 1:34 r thirty-zillion. I think I could roll out of bed this morning and do them with that kind of rest in 1:34 r24. Tell you what, I'll wave back to you in 2010 as I cross the finish line, unstrap myself, and wander over to cox you through the last 200m.<br /><br />And what makes you think I've already reached my peak, whereas you haven't? <br />Or that your much-ballyhooed technique is so loftily superior to mine that you can lecture me from on high about how I don't have any? <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Before WIRC this year, I'll do the 1:32s for 8 x 500m at 36-37 spm. I would suppose that that is pulling right about what you pull: 12.5 SPI.<br /><br />I didn't say you had reached your peak. I said that those who are your size who have reached their peak decline at an average of 3-4 seconds per 500m. Good luck with it over the next five years! As you like to call him, the "great" Tore Foss and the "greater" Andy Ripley slowed down 20 seconds over those five years.<br /><br />You'll have plenty of chance to chase my times long before 2010! <br /><br />ranger <br />

[[old] NavigationHazard]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Jan 27 2006, 04:16 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Jan 27 2006, 04:16 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><br />Before WIRC this year, I'll do the 1:32s for 8 x 500m at 36-37 spm. I would suppose that that is pulling right about what you pull: 12.5 SPI.<br /><br />...<br /><br />You'll have plenty of chance to chase my times long before 2010! <br /><br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Lest you forget, at the moment you are chasing my time.<br /><br />To do 1:32 for 8 x 500m 3:30 rest tomorrow morning I might have to go up to 26 spm. That's 16.2 spi. Good luck doing one of those, let alone eight.<br /><br />Helpful hint: it's a big mistake to assume that someone rowing to win a major championship has gone flat out to do so. Ask Graham Benton if you don't believe me. <br />

[[old] Chad Williams]

Ranger, you are lucky that you have proved yourself in the past by being a World Record holder, and I congratulate you on that. If you did not have that to your name I think you would be a laughing stock with the claims that you make.<br /><br />I think you have made a fatal mistake by never doing a 2000m test to see exactly where your training has left you, you need these so you can make any changes to your training if required. Other distances can act as a very rough guide but the best judge of your ability to rowing a 2000m is to row a 2000m<br /><br />I hope you succeed in your venture. What happens if you pull a time that disappoints you?<br />

[[old] John Rupp]

Nav,<br /><br />Have you lost 85 pounds???<br /><br />If so, congratulations!!!! I'm impressed!

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->What happens if you pull a time that disappoints you? </td></tr></table><br /><br />I am not even rowing hard on Sunday. Just an AT row. I haven't even done any TR or AN rowing yet! <br /><br />There is a month of double sessions of sharpening before WIRC. Plenty of time. 50 sessions? A million meters?<br /><br />I usually get 3-4 seconds better in a 2K after each week of my sharpening. I would guess that something similar will happen this year.<br /><br />No hurry.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] PaulS]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Jan 27 2006, 01:37 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Jan 27 2006, 01:37 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->What happens if you pull a time that disappoints you? </td></tr></table><br /><br />I am not even rowing hard on Sunday. Just an AT row. I haven't even done any TR or AN rowing yet! <br /><br />There is a month of double sessions of sharpening before WIRC. Plenty of time. 50 sessions? A million meters?<br /><br />I usually get 3-4 seconds better in a 2K after each week of my sharpening. I would guess that something similar will happen this year.<br /><br />No hurry.<br /><br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Was that an answer to the question quoted?

[[old] ranger]

Nav--<br /><br />Nothing has been said about how much you can improve or what you can do now.<br /><br />I have only mentioned that you will have to overcome what amounts to 20 seconds of slowing down because of age over the next 5 years. <br /><br />So, if you improve 20 seconds from what you have rowed now and row 6:00 this year, in five years, you will probably be rowing about what you have rowed now: 6:20. <br /><br />By today's standards, that would be a world record for the 55-59 hwts. Nice row!<br /><br />I suppose we'll all have to wait on the 6:00 2K, though, to see this prediction through. <br /><br />ranger

[[old] Chad Williams]

What time will you be happy with for your first outing?

[[old] Jim Barry]

Rich, <br /><br />Last year you bailed on Toronto in late January because you feared you would not make weight and that's a heck of drive to find that out. Feeling good about the weight? (can't imagine you'd actually tell us your weight).

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Was that an answer to the question quoted? </td></tr></table><br /><br />What will I do if I am disappointed in a row?<br /><br />Hasn't really happened yet, so I don't know. <br /><br />Heck, this is just a hobby! Why be disappointed? I am _delighted_ with the progress I am making, regardless of what I row for 2K. <br /><br />I have bought a 1x and learned to row. <br /><br />I now have mastered standard OTW technique. <br /><br />I live on a river and have a summer home on Lake Michigan (with nearby inland lakes, too, _beautiful_ rowing venues. <br /><br />I love rowing. <br /><br />Can't see what there would be to be disappointed about. <br /><br />2Ks are pretty predictable, aren't they? How can you mess them up? Your workouts predict them almost exactly. I do 8 x 500m at 2K - 3/4, for instance. Very regular correlation. I expect that, like many, I also do 4 x 2K at 2K + 4. And so forth. 4 x 1K in 2K? There isn't much mystery in this. <br /><br />I suppose the only way you could mess them up as a lwt is run out of food and water or something, but this would just be accidental, so why should it worry you? Just do the food and water thing better the next time. <br /><br />When I have been fully prepared, I have rowed my 2Ks within 2 seconds or so of what I have thought I could row--every time. Two seconds is pretty arbitrary. You can chalk that up to all sorts of things--travel, sleep, biorhythms, etc.<br /><br />It is an endless wonder to me why people worry so much about this. If you are fully prepared, 2Ks are automatic and inevitable, IMHO.<br /><br />I suspect that I will know exactly what I am going to row for 2K when WIRC rolls around. These warm up races are something different. They are just fun trainiing rows. I haven't even begun to prepare! But when I am fully prepared, presto: 2K.<br /><br />I am not going to show up at WIRC saying that I am going to row 6:24 unless I have rowed 8 x 500m (3:30 rest) at 1:32, etc. Why would I do that? You are right. That would be silly. But if someone rows 8 x 500m (3:30 rest) at 1:32 (and has many other parallel indicators), it is not at all silly to expect them to row 6:24, or so it seems to me.<br /><br />What if someone rows 4 x 2K at 1:38. Are you saying that you wouldn't expect them to row something close to 6:16?<br /><br />ranger