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[old] Taylor Miller · Post by **[old] Taylor Miller** » January 27th, 2006, 8:21 am

QUOTE:[Ranger]<br /><br />Blagoev was caught for using steroids, no? That could explain the weight loss very nicely. Some of the "deflated" baseball players walking around the United States these days are interesting to see. Looks to me as though the average weight loss when you go off steroids is just about the lean body mass that Blagoev needed to lose to be 165 lbs., 35 pounds or so. Perhaps, when he lifted back in the 80s, he was just a drugged out 165-pounder all the time.<br />END QUOTE<br /><br />After some 1300 posts time to go back to post number one from November <br />which alerted us to this Blagoev fella and his history. Looks like he had aimed to row as a <br />lightweight at the BIRC and with his nomination for lightweights for WIRC <br />we presume he must be able to make it. (2kg isn’t that much to loose)<br />Ranger could sets lots of records this month if he gets to race. A new WR for<br />The 55+ LW – then switch to HW and stitch up the WIRC with a WR.<br />Like most of us – I’m looking forward to Rangers first test this weekend.<br />

[old] KevP · Post by **[old] KevP** » January 27th, 2006, 9:02 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Rowing as a heavyweight is a _heck_ of lot easier to do, too </td></tr></table><br /><br />Rich... sorry mate but that is utter crap. Rowing is hard work period... It doesnt matter what size or shape you are...

[old] NavigationHazard · Post by **[old] NavigationHazard** » January 27th, 2006, 9:14 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Ranger)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>If I continue to improve, I think the thing for me to do is to just row as a heavyweight. The competition is thinning in the heavyweights, and anyway, if I get down below 6:22, I will break Andy Ripley's 55-59 hwt WR. </td></tr></table><br /><br />You have a bit more than a year until the great Tore Foss gets into the 55-59 category. Unless he retires, I don't see you as a borderline HW beating him head to head over 2k. Not without a struggle, at any rate. When I spoke with him at EIRC I got the impression he wasn't ready to give up the sport just yet.<br /><br />As for beating Mr. Ripley's category record, you'll have to get below 6:21.3 since that's what it actually is.

[old] mpukita · Post by **[old] mpukita** » January 27th, 2006, 9:21 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(KevP @ Jan 27 2006, 09:02 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Rowing as a heavyweight is a _heck_ of lot easier to do, too </td></tr></table><br /><br />Rich... sorry mate but that is utter crap. Rowing is hard work period... It doesnt matter what size or shape you are... <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Kev:<br /><br />What's your height and weight?<br /><br />-- Mark

[old] rspenger · Post by **[old] rspenger** » January 27th, 2006, 11:07 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(KevP @ Jan 27 2006, 06:02 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Rowing is hard work period.<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Baloney! It is only as hard as you want to make it. If you are a racenut, yes it is hard, but there are plenty of recreational rowers. Of course they are not stupid enough to use ergs like those of us on this forum.<br /><br />Bob S., who should have stuck to recreational rowing.<br />

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » January 27th, 2006, 11:14 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(KevP @ Jan 27 2006, 05:02 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Rowing as a heavyweight is a _heck_ of lot easier to do, too </td></tr></table><br /><br />Rich... sorry mate but that is utter crap. Rowing is hard work period... It doesnt matter what size or shape you are... <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Now KevP, don't go kicking the wee ones. It must be "easier" for the Hwts based simply on the fact that they are faster in every category, whether on the Erg or on the water, even though the lightwhats should have an advantage on the water by creating less drag. <br /><br />Anyway, you are right, it's very hard work for everyone, and since they have to do that hard work for longer, perhaps it is "easier" to be faster, they should try it. All that they need to do is go faster.

[old] Jim Barry · Post by **[old] Jim Barry** » January 27th, 2006, 12:08 pm

Of course Ranger is only saying that the additional "difficulty" in his LW rowing is the weight game. Releasing that burden for him would make the whole "racing" thing a lot less of a deal (e.g. "easier") That's all I read anyway.

[old] FrancoisA · Post by **[old] FrancoisA** » January 27th, 2006, 12:45 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Jan 27 2006, 08:45 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Rowing as a heavyweight is a _heck_ of lot easier to do, too. When you row as a lightweight, you do two races at once, a race against weight and a race against the clock. That makes it twice as hard. It will be a relief to just be able to bulk up and stuff my face the night before rowing! [right] <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Rowing as a LW is hard too, especially when you can not reach 165 lbs, no matter how much you try to "bulk up and stuff your face"! That is the desperate situation I am in: if I eat too much, I just feel sick and the extra calories are turned into heat, I don't gain a pound. <br />If I were to stop swimming and erging and just run and bike, I would loose 15 lbs of muscle mass within 6 months and end up under 140 lbs.<br /><br />Isn't life unfair! ?! <br /><br />Francois

[old] Citroen · Post by **[old] Citroen** » January 27th, 2006, 2:39 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(mpukita @ Jan 27 2006, 01:21 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(KevP @ Jan 27 2006, 09:02 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Rowing as a heavyweight is a _heck_ of lot easier to do, too </td></tr></table><br /><br />Rich... sorry mate but that is utter crap. Rowing is hard work period... It doesnt matter what size or shape you are... <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Kev:<br /><br />What's your height and weight?<br /><br />-- Mark <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Kev is big (6'2" IIRC) and heavy enough for that height. <br /><br /><img src='http://www.concept2.co.uk/news/images/2 ... rd0071.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /><br /><br />Kev is just departing from the erg in the MAD 100K challenge. Graham Benton is standing at the back (star tattoo). John O'Grady is the new rower after the change over.<br /><br />Pete Marston is the guy in the polo shirt (2nd in from the left, clipboard by his side)

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » January 27th, 2006, 2:53 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Jim Barry @ Jan 27 2006, 11:08 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Of course Ranger is only saying that the additional "difficulty" in his LW rowing is the weight game. Releasing that burden for him would make the whole "racing" thing a lot less of a deal (e.g. "easier") That's all I read anyway. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Yes, exactly.<br /><br />ranger<br />

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » January 27th, 2006, 2:58 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Since no 55-59 LWT has gone sub 6:40 we just have to wait and see. </td></tr></table><br /><br />I thought that Blagoev has rowed 6:22. If so, that's a bit faster than 6:40. <br /><br />Lots of entirely legitimate rowing gets done that C2 doesn't "count."<br /><br />ranger

[old] mpukita · Post by **[old] mpukita** » January 27th, 2006, 2:59 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Citroen @ Jan 27 2006, 02:39 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(mpukita @ Jan 27 2006, 01:21 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(KevP @ Jan 27 2006, 09:02 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Rowing as a heavyweight is a _heck_ of lot easier to do, too </td></tr></table><br /><br />Rich... sorry mate but that is utter crap. Rowing is hard work period... It doesnt matter what size or shape you are... <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Kev:<br /><br />What's your height and weight?<br /><br />-- Mark <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Kev is big (6'2" IIRC) and heavy enough for that height. <br /><br />Kev is just departing from the erg in the MAD 100K challenge. Graham Benton is standing at the back (star tattoo). John O'Grady is the new rower after the change over.<br /><br />Pete Marston is the guy in the polo shirt (2nd in from the left, clipboard by his side) <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Holy crap! Those guys are freaking monsters! I hate being short, except on economy flights across the Atlantic. Then, they suffer.<br /><br /> <br /><br />

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » January 27th, 2006, 3:08 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(NavigationHazard @ Jan 27 2006, 08:14 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Ranger)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>If I continue to improve, I think the thing for me to do is to just row as a heavyweight. The competition is thinning in the heavyweights, and anyway, if I get down below 6:22, I will break Andy Ripley's 55-59 hwt WR. </td></tr></table><br /><br />You have a bit more than a year until the great Tore Foss gets into the 55-59 category. Unless he retires, I don't see you as a borderline HW beating him head to head over 2k. Not without a struggle, at any rate. When I spoke with him at EIRC I got the impression he wasn't ready to give up the sport just yet.<br /><br />As for beating Mr. Ripley's category record, you'll have to get below 6:21.3 since that's what it actually is. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />When Foss was 49, he rowed 6:06. At EIRC this year, five years later, he rowed 6:25.5. So he is slowing down at 4 seconds per year. Ripley had pretty much the same arc of decline, and perhaps for similar reasons. Both are huge men who use strength rather than quickness and techique to generate wattage, and it seems that it hard to maintain that strength as you approach your middle 50s. <br /><br />I think I might well row 6:24 _this year_ at WIRC. I think I might row 6:22 next fall at BIRC. In another year, Foss might well be rowing 6:30.<br /><br />ranger<br />

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » January 27th, 2006, 3:09 pm

I am still getting better!<br /><br />ranger

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » January 27th, 2006, 3:19 pm

In 2003, Foss rowed 6:11. Rowing 6:30 as a lightweight, I got the silver behind him in the heavyweight division in addition to winning the hammer for the lightweights (and setting the 50-54 lwt WR).<br /><br />If Foss rows 6:30 at 55 at WIRC 2007 and I row 6:22, this would be quite a reversal!<br /><br />A swing of 27 seconds in four years.<br /><br />ranger

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