Rod Freed

[[old] becz]

<!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Dec 14 2005, 12:52 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Dec 14 2005, 12:52 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-becz+Dec 14 2005, 09:26 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(becz @ Dec 14 2005, 09:26 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->C2 USA did a piece on Rod Freed many years ago, in which he talked more about his training, even discussing how he tried rowing extreme distances using a CamelBak so he wouldn't have to stop to drink.  He exists, he's real, get over it (from someone who works hard, and yet still "can't do that").[right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />Are you sure that was Freed, and would you happen to have a copy of the article?<br /><br />Thanks much. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />John,<br /><br />Yes, it was definitely Rod Freed. It was in a C2 Update newletter, maybe as much as ten years ago. It talked about him rowing 100k+ distances, included a picture of him, etc. Unfortunately I don't have a copy. It may be possible to get it from C2.

[[old] becz]

<!--QuoteBegin-PaulS+Dec 14 2005, 01:00 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Dec 14 2005, 01:00 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Who is afraid of believing exceptional performances?  I don't know.  My performances have been questioned, in spite of being witnessed, not "wished". </td></tr></table><br />I don't think the question about Rod Freed's results and your efforts from your collegiate days are the same. In your case, the question is whether a long-ago performance on a different piece of equipment is somehow relevant and comparable today. You can probably guess my opinion.<br /><br /><!--QuoteBegin-PaulS+Dec 14 2005, 01:00 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Dec 14 2005, 01:00 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Personally, I'm up for the least amount of training time that gets me the best result, even over the most amount that gets me the same best result, call me silly.  <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Here, here.

[[old] PaulS]

<!--QuoteBegin-gw1+Dec 14 2005, 10:07 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(gw1 @ Dec 14 2005, 10:07 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Personally, I'm up for the least amount of training time that gets me the best result, even over the most amount that gets me the same best result, call me silly. </td></tr></table><br /><br />Ah spoken like a fellow true member of the "used to be reasonably fast, 40 + "Fat Boy" Heavy Weight Club". <br />Now Paul i think that we should exit this "distance" thread and return to the Cabana for some Seasonal cheer! <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I'm with ya there.<br /><br />Cheers!

[[old] PaulS]

<!--QuoteBegin-becz+Dec 14 2005, 10:21 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(becz @ Dec 14 2005, 10:21 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I don't think the question about Rod Freed's results and your efforts from your collegiate days are the same.  In your case, the question is whether a long-ago performance on a different piece of equipment is somehow relevant and comparable today.  You can probably guess my opinion.<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I'm sorry, I probably should be able to, but I can't, and unless you really feel the need to go through all the various justifications based on the fact base provided by C2, there is no reason to open the can of worms any further. I think I'd be safe in saying that I've at least heard an opinion that would reflect yours (and anyone elses) at some time. <br />

[[old] Carl Henrik]

<!--QuoteBegin-becz+Dec 14 2005, 05:26 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(becz @ Dec 14 2005, 05:26 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--> He exists, he's real, get over it (from someone who works hard, and yet still "can't do that"). <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />Let me express my sentiment in reply to this as well. I have have put time and energy in exploring how amazing the performances ranked by Freed is. I do not automatically question the legitimacy by doing that. I never doubted the times and still don't. I like to do math though and Freeds times in my own sport was an exciting subject for this. Maybe I let on another position unintentionally or maybe I didn't. <br /><br />I don't think getting over the ranked times is the right way to go. They symbolize great achievements and should be recognized for how amazing they are. <br /><br />Getting over the question wether they are real or not is IMO up to personality and prioritites as long as no proof is presented. You have presented no proof but still want people to get over it. <br />

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin-gw1+Dec 14 2005, 01:07 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(gw1 @ Dec 14 2005, 01:07 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Personally, I'm up for the least amount of training time that gets me the best result, even over the most amount that gets me the same best result, call me silly. </td></tr></table><br /><br />Ah spoken like a fellow true member of the "used to be reasonably fast, 40 + "Fat Boy" Heavy Weight Club". <br />Now Paul i think that we should exit this "distance" thread and return to the Cabana for some Seasonal cheer! <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Gary!<br /><br /> <br /><br />Hilarious! <br /><br />A bit of reality amongst the punditry. <br /><br />Refreshing.<br /><br />Go on. Have some nog, Paul. <br /><br />Happy Holidays!<br /><br />ranger

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-becz+Dec 14 2005, 10:11 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(becz @ Dec 14 2005, 10:11 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->John,<br /><br />Yes, it was definitely Rod Freed.  It was in a C2 Update newletter, maybe as much as ten years ago.  It talked about him rowing 100k+ distances, included a picture of him, etc.  Unfortunately I don't have a copy.  It may be possible to get it from C2.[right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />Becz,<br /><br />I have the issues back to 1993 and will take a look through them later.<br /><br />There was a similar article about Rob Slocum, setting up to drink while he was rowing etc, which is why I was wondering if he is the one you were thinking of.<br /><br />It will be interesting if there is one about Freed. <br />

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-PaulS+Dec 14 2005, 10:37 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Dec 14 2005, 10:37 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->all the various justifications based on the fact base provided by C2,[right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />C2 posted on here a few months ago that the time was bogus, and the reasons that it was, so perhaps that's the opinion you are referring to.<br />

[[old] John Rupp]

Carl,<br /><br />You can't prove that something doesn't exist.<br /><br />You can only prove that it can.

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Personally, I'm up for the least amount of training time that gets me the best result </td></tr></table><br /><br />Well, for many, Paul, the _best_ result would be to just drink that holiday nog! Why bother with training at all, much less racing.<br /><br />Dang, rowing is too hard, anyway!<br /><br />So the training time needed for that "best result" is indeed "the least amount of time" because the time needed is (yes, you guessed it!)--none.<br /><br />Or did you have some other definition of "best result"?<br /><br />ranger

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Just like Ranger, there are training methods that might work for one that won't work for anyone else (for whatever reason) </td></tr></table><br /><br />Only what _you_ suggest is "principled"?<br /><br />Interesting attitude.<br /><br />ranger<br /><br />

[[old] Carl Henrik]

<!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Dec 14 2005, 06:58 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Dec 14 2005, 06:58 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Carl,<br /><br />You can't prove that something doesn't exist.<br /><br />You can only prove that it can.  <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />Are you sure?<br /><br />How about if I had a video tape of me sleeping for a whole day. Then I entered a 2000m piece in 6:01 and claiming that I had done that during that day. Wouldn't the video tape proove that performance did not take place?

[[old] PaulS]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Dec 14 2005, 10:59 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Dec 14 2005, 10:59 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--> Personally, I'm up for the least amount of training time that gets me the best result </td></tr></table><br /><br />Well, for many, Paul, the _best_ result would be to just drink that holiday nog! Why bother with training at all, much less racing.<br /><br />Dang, rowing is too hard, anyway!<br /><br />So the training time needed for that "best result" is indeed "the least amount of time" because the time needed is (yes, you guessed it!)--none.<br /><br />Or did you have some other definition of "best result"?<br /><br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I think for you to parse to that level is hilarious. Keep it in context, please.<br /><br />"Only what _you_ suggest is "principled"?" No, there are others. You?<br /><br />Though I never suggested that in the first place and you made it up, definitely an interesting attitude.

[[old] PaulS]

<!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Dec 14 2005, 10:57 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Dec 14 2005, 10:57 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-PaulS+Dec 14 2005, 10:37 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Dec 14 2005, 10:37 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->all the various justifications based on the fact base provided by C2,[right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />C2 posted on here a few months ago that the time was bogus, and the reasons that it was, so perhaps that's the opinion you are referring to. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Did C2 really post that? Surely not. Was that part of the "poll" you created?<br /><br />John, your credibility is holding steady. "zip-zero-nada"

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-PaulS+Dec 14 2005, 11:48 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Dec 14 2005, 11:48 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Did C2 really post that?  Surely not.  </td></tr></table><br /><br />Yes and so did you. <br /><br /><!--QuoteBegin-PaulS+Aug 17 2005, 11:59 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Aug 17 2005, 11:59 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->it should probably be mentioned that since there was no Drag Factor accounting for the Model A, it was important to follow some rules in how it was set up.  IIRC, there should be nothing within 3 feet of the sides or off the end of the flywheel.  i.e. Having the flywheel close to a wall would reduce airflow, making for less resistance and skew the results.[right] </td></tr></table><br /><br /> <br /><br /><!--QuoteBegin-c2jonw+Aug 18 2005, 04:13 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(c2jonw @ Aug 18 2005, 04:13 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->that mechanical odometer was easy to compromise as you pointed out- proximity to a wall and other ergs made a difference, as would the presence of a coach with baggy pants encouraging his charge on. Funny picture there.[right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />Credibility reins supreme.