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[old] seat5 · Post by **[old] seat5** » November 10th, 2004, 8:43 pm

TWELVE SECONDS! a massive improvement, Niall, that's great! We ARE a great team! Carla

[old] seat5 · Post by **[old] seat5** » November 10th, 2004, 8:58 pm

Mike, is your son studying with the Suzuki Method? If so, tell him that when I started 8 years ago I was in Book 1, and my first recital piece was "Minuet in G" from Book 2. I was so scared of that performance that I couldn't eat for a whole day before it. And tell him that that thing I had to play was written so that I couldn't play any open strings--all 4th fingers (eww!) except for that one B double flat (that's really A--an open string! Yay!) If he loves it and works hard, imagine what he'll be doing in 8 years! I'll watch out for a Zirpoli virtuoso some time in 2013. Carla

[old] AussieTaff · Post by **[old] AussieTaff** » November 10th, 2004, 9:31 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (Niall @ Nov 10 2004, 01:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> 500m-1000m The third 500m was the same story in terms of tactics but have to admit there were odd moments of 1:50 but I didn't let this put me off and retained the controlled stroke as before (I figured the odd 1:50 would be fine as a new PB was still on the cards). 500m-Finish Decided not to panic and rush a sprint finish and maintain the 1:48 for the first 250. and then go for it in the last 250m. New PB result: 7:13.7 3) The whole 2K was far more controlled and relaxed than any other 2K I've done 4) This sets me up really nicely for BIRC and gives me loads of confidence (I think a sub-7:10 is on the cards) Niall  </td></tr></table> Hey Niall - just one word - FANTASTIC I had a feeling you were going to 'go for it' and you did ! Have to admit to feeling a bit 'emotional' when I read your post (and a bit relieved you didn't do a 7:30+ with the 'new' technique and curse me for it !) I've extracted a couple of the key things from your excellent description of the row so I can add my 2 bob :- Strategy - I could have been writing it myself it was so uncannily like my 2K pieces ! Even down to the couple of 'easier' strokes now and again in that all-important 3rd 500m. I found it is much more productive overall to take a couple of 'breather' strokes to let the body/mind regroup BEFORE irreversible fatigue sets in - wait too long and I 'hit the wall' and am far worse off (and there is no law that says a stroke can't be 'softer' than the one before !). And that last 500 was spot on - just steady build up for the final onslaught over 250m (wait too long and there's not enough distance left to make a real impression, go too soon and may 'hit the wall'). Your point #3 really sums a 2K up - Controlled and relaxed. Great advice. 2k is 7 minutes not 1 minute yet temptation is to row it like a sprint. Each stage of the piece warrents a different strategy and 7 mins is more than long enough for this to be the case. Now for #4 - no rest for the achiever What's the BIRC plan ? With the excitement of and unfamiliarity with the occasion there is a danger that the best laid game plan goes 'out the window' when sitting on that BIRC erg surrounded by other contestants. It may be a good strategy to practise your 2K pieces between now and BIRC as if each was the race itself (i.e. imagine you are at BIRC and go through the preparation to 'race' accordingly). Then you will have your routine nicely entrenched and not be so distracted on the big day. May I suggest doing a 'race' 2K every second day, fine tuning each over the next week - not every one has to be a PB though ! Maybe throw in a couple of 1K's at sub 1:45 Ave Pace (first 250m 1:43, next 500m 1:46, last 250m 1:43 e.g.) to get the feel of 'max speed'. Hopefully sustained 1:48's should then feel pretty easy ! And taper off in last 2 days to "peak" for the BIG ONE ! Happy erging, Martin PS I'll be following progress with great interest - pls keep us 'posted'

[old] Debra · Post by **[old] Debra** » November 10th, 2004, 10:17 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (dadams @ Nov 9 2004, 08:53 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>This is for Chippy, Chris and Debra - You three are so close to getting that first million for the season. Why not just do it today, or at least by the end of the week? Nail that baby!! Get over the hump!! Send the first million packin'!! (and any other metephor you can think of). Speedy </td></tr></table> Hey Speedy, I don't think I'll be hitting the one million (for this season) until next week. My erging opportunites are limited for these next two weeks. (It's amazing that I can even have a minute to get on the computer to do this!!) I am also very, very close to reaching the five million mark - I'm at 4,912,000m!! So I'm hoping to get back to that by the end of the month. It would be good to start the holiday challenge at 5,000,000m! Thanks for your encouragement Speedy!! Keep up all that awesome rowing Taffs!! Debra (momoffour)

[old] AussieTaff · Post by **[old] AussieTaff** » November 11th, 2004, 12:24 am

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (Godfried @ Nov 10 2004, 04:11 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> 1k 3:27.7 ( 1:43.9 / 500 ) , was 3:30.7 ( 1:45.3 / 500 ) ( sep 12 ) I call this legal self-defense : this means I need to get under 1:34.0 for 500m or 7:17.0 for 2000m.  </td></tr></table> Great row Godfried, any row that knocks 3 seconds off a previous 1K PB is impressive indeed. And perfectly legal too !! Looks like the Nonathlon comp is heating up 'twix yourself and Daren, love it !! Ready for that 2K PB yet ? Now, about that DF setting ....... Cheers, Martin

[old] seat5 · Post by **[old] seat5** » November 11th, 2004, 1:38 am

Fun workout today I didn't want to do a set time piece, because I felt like if it wasn't going fast enough to be respectable, which I had a feeling it wouldn't, I would end up accomplishing not much of anything even if I went the distance. So for fun I set it on 10K and did 100m intervals every 500m. I don't even know what the ending time was, but it was amusing and the 10K disappeared (mentally, not by the clock) much faster than usual because of the distraction of the sprints, which were so short they weren't really noticable until the last few. I was surprised to find that I could do 1:52, 1:51 for about 8 of each of the 10 pulls--the first was always around 2:06, the second 1:57, and then it would drop. I think I will do this workout a few times each week. Maybe after a few weeks of that, I'll be able to do some regular 500m intervals. I think the thing I really have to concentrate on is keeping really tight abs at the catch because when I was good about that I had a lot more power. Keep the meters rolling in everybody--we're going to catch MIT--I'll see if I can pull my weight a little better now! Carla

[old] Niall · Post by **[old] Niall** » November 11th, 2004, 1:50 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> Mike, is your son studying with the Suzuki Method? </td></tr></table> Carla, Is that the "Get on yer bike" method?? (Someone's going to have to tell me how I get the name, data and time of the poster when I quote from their posts. Every one does it except me!! HELP!!!! Daren, I love the team logo! I also like the way you've incorporated it into your signature with your results, very classy. If we can get some t-shirts sorted for BIRC, we'll be the best looking team at BIRC! Debra, keep at it with the metres, you're so close to two milestones. It'll be a great feeling to achieve both to close together. Go Girl! Godfried, well done on the 1000m PB. 2K next? Mikez, enjoy the new toy!! You're getting awfully close to Bernard and me now! Great effort, keep it going... Martin, loved your post! It was like having a coach analysing the piece and giving feedback. Priceless mate! I'll certainly take your advice on the 2K "race" pieces every other day (you haven't let me down so far!) and I'll post the results on here so you can see how it goes. As for BIRC, it's difficult to guage how I'll perform under such different circumstances to what I'm used to. I must admit to being a bit of an exhibitionist and have, in the past, achieved PBs when I've become aware of bring watched by others. So who knows? I'd like to think that I could hold it together and keep the same controlled and relaxed style that I now feel so comfortable with, It's going to be more about mental strength than rowing strength I suspect. I'm planning on doing my last row before BIRC on the Thursday afternoon so I have two clear days rest. Does this sound reasonable? Last week, when I did my 10K PB on the Sunday, the previous row had been the Friday morning and I still felt a little muscle sore on the Sunday (could that be a good thing though??).

[old] seat5 · Post by **[old] seat5** » November 11th, 2004, 2:01 am

You're doing better than I am on the quote thing, Niall. At least you can get their words in a little box. I can't get it to work at all. I end up quoting "undefined", and when I try to replace "undefined" with something that I cut and paste, that doesn't work, either. Carla

[old] Niall · Post by **[old] Niall** » November 11th, 2004, 2:06 am

For someone who works in IT, sometimes the technology escapes me! Reassuring to know I'm not alone!

[old] Prufrock · Post by **[old] Prufrock** » November 11th, 2004, 5:36 am

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (Niall @ Nov 10 2004, 01:39 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> New PB result: 7:13.7 I'm absolutely ecstatic!  </td></tr></table> Niall, No-one can ask for more than twelve seconds of the PB. Congrats, mate. Had a rest day yesterday - yet another infernal meeting in another part of the country, but did 10k this morning. Funnily enough I did virtually the same workout as Carla, except I did 15 strong pulls - same spm - every 500 metres, which meant I was sprinting about 200 metres out of every 500 metres. Tough, but enjoyable. 4x1000 and 8x500 again tonight. I'm going to have to be a bit less competitive next week as BIRC is the following Sunday. Twelve whole seconds, jeez you tanked your old time. Bernard

[old] Daren C · Post by **[old] Daren C** » November 11th, 2004, 5:57 am

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (AussieTaff @ Nov 11 2004, 01:31 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> What's the BIRC plan ? With the excitement of and unfamiliarity with the occasion there is a danger that the best laid game plan goes 'out the window' when sitting on that BIRC erg surrounded by other contestants. It may be a good strategy to practise your 2K pieces between now and BIRC as if each was the race itself (i.e. imagine you are at BIRC and go through the preparation to 'race' accordingly). Then you will have your routine nicely entrenched and not be so distracted on the big day.  </td></tr></table> I've tried that twice so far, and failed to stick to the plan each time. The plan is 1:46, 1:46, 1:46 and then let rip in the final 500m. I don't know if it's a good plan, but in any case I've gone too fast in the first 1000m, died in the 3rd 500, and then forced the last 500 out. These two failed "to race plan" pieces got me the 7:02.8 and then 7:02.1, but not the 6:59.9 I'd like. Of course, I didn't warm up or anything either, as mentioned before, so I don't know if it's my race plan that's poo or my pre-race (lack of) "routine". =)

[old] AussieTaff · Post by **[old] AussieTaff** » November 11th, 2004, 6:58 am

Hi Daren, just a quick thought - try the next 2K 'trial' sticking to your race plan of 1:46's till the last 500m. Looking back at the post for your last 2K row it looks like you went through the 1000m mark in sub 1:45 Ave Pace, then didn't have much left for the last 500m ? Try the race plan, maybe seeing if you can do 1:46's at 34 SPM instead of 36's to 'conserve' a bit of capacity for the last 500m. Martin PS To do a sub 7 I do a fair stretch of 1:45's in the middle 1000m, but I don't have a big finish like most others - my splits are pretty even.

[old] Daren C · Post by **[old] Daren C** » November 11th, 2004, 8:03 am

Aye, Martin, I always intend to stick to the plan, I'm just really bad at going slower than I feel I can. I've always been like that. I walk fast, I ride my bike fast... I always arrive anywhere I ride to knackered because I have to go as fast as I can. It's just the way my brain's wired. =)

[old] Daren C · Post by **[old] Daren C** » November 11th, 2004, 9:01 am

OK, Chris seems happy with the current attempt, so here it is in all its red dragony glory: <img src='http://www.kop.nildram.co.uk/images/tafflogo3small.gif' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> I tried adding scales to his skin, but they ended up looking like bad tattoos. There are bits I'm not entirely happy with, but until we recruit a professional graphic designer/artist into the team it'll just have to do! So, now I reckon he needs a name. Maybe "Taff" is the obvious choice, since Llewellyn has already been used. Hell, we could even write a song. All together now... #Taff the mighty dragon, lived by the sea #But rowed indoors, and all because #He liked to watch TV Is that my coat you're holding? Remember, team, when the going gets tough, just say this to yourself over and over; Heart of a dragon! Heart of a dragon! Heart of a dragon!

[old] dadams · Post by **[old] dadams** » November 11th, 2004, 9:13 am

Daren, I was actually singing along to your song. LOVE THE GRAPHIC!!!!! Now if I can only get the bl**dy thing as wallpaper on my desktop. Dwayne

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