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[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->This is what you said you have been doing for the last 2 years, habituating this exact same stroke </td></tr></table><br /><br />Yes, exactly. I am just reporting that this habituation seems finally to be coming to full realization. <br /><br />For quite some time now, the issue has no longer been the technique itself--mastering the movements and timing, developing the needed strength, leverage, and speed, etc. The issue has been habituation with the technique--ease, efficiency, low heart rate over long distances, etc. These two are related in certain ways, sure, but in the end, they are really pretty different matters.<br /><br />IMHO, George, you seem much too impatient and superficial in the focus of your interests, at least as they relate to my interests, which is what you are commenting on here. I am primarily interested in getting better, not in racing just to race. In rowing, you don't get better by (over-) valuing sharpening and racing. If you want to get better, sharpening and racing are not where the excitement is at all. Sharpening and racing are just more of the same.<br /><br />Your comments are also contradictory in certain ways. Just the other day, you were noticing that I hadn't yet done that marathon at 1:50, that 17K hour, that 10K at 1:43. Well, if this morning is any indication, it looks as though these might finally be coming along. Reaching these goals depends on getting relaxed and easy with the strong stroke I have learned, and that's what I am reporting here!<br /><br />ranger

[[old] Chad Williams]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Jan 24 2006, 06:01 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Jan 24 2006, 06:01 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->you were noticing that I hadn't yet done that marathon at 1:50<br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Ranger, what r would you be looking for at that pace?<br /><br />

[[old] ranger]

George--<br /><br />BTW, it took Mike C. five years to work his way down to the 40s lwt WR, making progress of about 2 seconds a year. His methods were/are somewhat different from mine (although they share some things, too), but the rate of his progress is probably typical. <br /><br />You seem to have tolerance from such diligence.<br /><br />Interesting attitude. Won't get you very far, I think.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You seem to have tolerance from such diligence. </td></tr></table><br /><br />Yikes, sorry. Really messed this up. This should read "You seem to have no tolerance for such diligence."<br /><br />ranger

[[old] NavigationHazard]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Jan 24 2006, 02:14 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Jan 24 2006, 02:14 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If you ever do get to 3:00, don't count on the 50-59 HW 1k record still being 2:59.8.... </td></tr></table><br /><br />How is that project going? Are you getting close?<br /><br />Good luck with it.<br /><br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />You tell me how close I am. 1:33 (with breaks) is coming along nicely at r23.7 (18 spi), and 18 spi @ 40 spm is 1:18.5 pace. I'd love to row a 2:37 1k. <br />

[[old] hjs]

<!--QuoteBegin-NavigationHazard+Jan 24 2006, 02:23 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(NavigationHazard @ Jan 24 2006, 02:23 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Jan 24 2006, 02:14 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Jan 24 2006, 02:14 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->If you ever do get to 3:00, don't count on the 50-59 HW 1k record still being 2:59.8.... </td></tr></table><br /><br />How is that project going? Are you getting close?<br /><br />Good luck with it.<br /><br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />You tell me how close I am. 1:33 (with breaks) is coming along nicely at r23.7 (18 spi), and 18 spi @ 40 spm is 1:18.5 pace. I'd love to row a 2:37 1k. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />I You do this for 3 years and you can row row a marathon in this format. and you step every day for a hour or two, and you skip a bit and you don,t injure yourself by doing strange things with your drag It would be possible to do 2.37 <br /><br /><br />Ps just prepare and do a few races would not be a good plan though

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->1:33 (with breaks) is coming along nicely at r23.7 (18 spi), and 18 spi @ 40 spm is 1:18.5 pace. I'd love to row a 2:37 1k </td></tr></table><br /><br />12 is just my normal stroke now. That's how I'll race on Sunday. If you're rowing at 18 SPI, you're doing well indeed. Congrats. Your power workouts must really be getting some results. That's quite an upgrade from the 12 SPI you pulled at EIRC. So are you going to race at 22 spm now? <br /><br />ranger<br /><br />

[[old] ranger]

Sorry. "12 is just my normal stroke now" should read "12 SPI is just my normal stroke now."<br /><br />ranger

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->do this for 3 years and you can row row a marathon in this format. and you step every day for a hour or two, and you skip a bit and you don,t injure yourself by doing strange things with your drag It would be possible to do 2.37 </td></tr></table><br /><br />Well, the first year got me 2 seconds off my world record and two more world record rows. If I can row 6:24 this year, I will have gotten four more seconds, two seconds a year during the time I wasn't racing. After your times plateau, two seconds a year is good improvement in the 2K, about the average for those working hard and making steady progress (e.g., on college varsity rowing teams).<br /><br />ranger

[[old] hjs]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Jan 24 2006, 04:46 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Jan 24 2006, 04:46 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->do this for 3 years and you can row row a marathon in this format. and you step every day for a hour or two, and you skip a bit and you don,t injure yourself by doing strange things with your drag It would be possible to do 2.37 </td></tr></table><br /><br />Well, the first year got me 2 seconds off my world record and two more world record rows. If I can row 6:24 this year, I will have gotten four more seconds, two seconds a year during the time I wasn't racing. After your times plateau, two seconds a year is good improvement in the 2K, about the average for those working hard and making steady progress (e.g., on college varsity rowing teams).<br /><br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />Don,t be so rich, just jocking. Je keep repeating yourself so a little humour doesn,t harm this tread. the readers need : real results <br />no historie<br />no ifs<br />no other endless repeating but just results.<br /><br />good luck this weekend, I hope your back holds (don't do any stupid experiments)

[[old] ranger]

BTW, my ribs are healing fine. Almost no soreness left. Should be completely healed by the weekend, I think. If I keep the drag low (110 df.), I have no problem. <br /><br />Nice 90 minutes on the stepper at 300 watts after rowing this morning. More rowing this afternoon. As I mentioned, I am getting impervious to the work on the long stepping routines. I should now be able to take these stepping routines to marathon length. This should prepare me for some long Zatopek fartleks. I'll do some Zatopek-style 500s and 1Ks this afternoon, but not a full Zatopek. <br /><br />Sharpening is coming along fine.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->no other endless repeating but just results </td></tr></table><br /><br />Good training is not for audiences. And by and large, it does indeed involve just that: endless repetition that has little to do with (quantifiable) results.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->the readers need : real results    </td></tr></table><br /><br />Yes, I understand. Every day. That's why most of them do poorly in their training, and when the time comes, in their racing, especially if they are older. Their times quickly plateau and then fall off, steadily and inevitably, and at an accelerating pace.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] hjs]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Jan 24 2006, 04:55 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Jan 24 2006, 04:55 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->no other endless repeating but just results </td></tr></table><br /><br />Good training is not for audiences. And by and large, it does indeed involve just that: endless repetition that has little to do with (quantifiable) results.<br /><br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />Offcause is training endless repetition, but the training is to better the erging and the way to know it the training work is simply. try now and again.

[[old] ranger]

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