Weight Loss Tablets ?

[old] jus gray · Post by **[old] jus gray** » December 12th, 2004, 4:29 pm

Hi, has anyone any experience of weight loss tablets, i.e xanderine, cabbage soup, etc. I ask as I`d love to go back to my original weight of a cut 80 kgs instead of a (bit) flabby 85 kg and thought maybe a little bit of help combined with hard work will help me get there just a bit quicker. Any help apprechiated.

[old] Kudos · Post by **[old] Kudos** » December 12th, 2004, 5:32 pm

a solid food plan is by far the most effective to lose weight. Get that in check and organized to a tee first and foremost. The pills are good to keep some intensity in the day and workouts, as they are mostly just caffiene. You shold definitly notice in increase in performance and focus in a lot of workouts. But I personally don't feel they take off much more than a pound/kilo or so.

[old] jus gray · Post by **[old] jus gray** » December 12th, 2004, 5:36 pm

Thanks mate I thought so, just wanted some opinions though.

[old] gaffano · Post by **[old] gaffano** » December 13th, 2004, 5:40 pm

I would stay away from them...every year I see at least one story about a professional athlete taking these to lose weight and having a cardiac failure....not worth the risk.

[old] DIESEL · Post by **[old] DIESEL** » December 19th, 2004, 10:57 am

sorry.. double post - read below...

[old] DIESEL · Post by **[old] DIESEL** » December 19th, 2004, 11:00 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I would stay away from them...every year I see at least one story about a professional athlete taking these to lose weight and having a cardiac failure....not worth the risk  </td></tr></table> That's because those idiots figure if one dose works - then 5 doses at the same time must work even better. Also, they haven't worked out at all in the offseason, just sitting on their ass getting fat, and then they come to training camp, realize how out of shape they are, and panic. This is pretty much what happened in the cases of Korey Stringer and the pitcher for the Baltimore Orioles. Korey Stringer weighed over 340lbs (more than 20lbs over playing weight), took over 5 times the recommended dosage, and then went to practice for two-a-days in full pads in over 120 degree heat... The same situation with the pitcher for the Orioles - he came in to camp 30lbs overweight (something like 250) and dropped dead doing wind sprints in the scorching Florida heat - he too was woefully out of shape and had taken over the recommended dosages... The other case of a Northwestern University cornerback, who was in excellent shape, was blamed more for a congenital heart defect, than for the supplementation per se.. I am sure the supplement contributed to his death - but it did not cause it - he was, unfortunately, a ticking time bomb. The point here is that you have a couple of isolated incidents like these and then everyone jumps on the bandwagon saying "you shouldn't use them, they'll kill you.." - as long as you don't have high blood pressure and are not working out in extreme conditions (i.e. Florida style heat ) you should be OK. Just stay within the recommended dosages and be sure to cycle them 5 days on / 2 days off - this keeps the body from adapting to its effects, and insures efficacy. Good luck, D (I have used them with great success in the past...) By the way, the very best legal fat burner in the world is the ECA stack - 20mg ephedrine HCL + 200mg caffeine + 200mg aspirin (optional) = the only problem with this and all the other fat burners is that they run afoul of Olympic testing procedures... so, assuming you won a medal at the Games, you would lose it for taking a fat burner.

[old] jus gray · Post by **[old] jus gray** » December 19th, 2004, 11:15 am

Thanks mate very informative reply. I`d be interested in your eca stack if you could pm me with how to make it up, where to get it from, etc. Thanks.

[old] pduck · Post by **[old] pduck** » December 19th, 2004, 11:49 am

Are you in the United States? Because ephedra has been banned here.

[old] SimonB · Post by **[old] SimonB** » December 19th, 2004, 11:57 am

Personally, I would stick to rowing to lose your weight Jus. Put in the time and the pounds WILL come off. The UK site has some good info on weight loss <a href='http://www.concept2.co.uk/weightloss/index.php' target='_blank'>http://www.concept2.co.uk/weightloss/in ... br> You should also look in the online training guide, specifically table 3.2 <a href='http://www.concept2.co.uk/guide/guide.p ... ning_bands' target='_blank'>http://www.concept2.co.uk/guide/guide.p ... /a> (You don't need to go crazy to burn the fat and lose the weight). Whole training guide <a href='http://www.concept2.co.uk/guide/guide.php' target='_blank'>here</a> I would also highly recommended a HRM if you do not currently own one. I really helped my workouts when I bought one a few years ago. Ephedrine may be safe in low doses as Diesel has suggested. Personally I would not take the risk. <a href='http://www.lyberty.com/encyc/articles/ephedrine.html' target='_blank'>http://www.lyberty.com/encyc/articles/ephedrine.html</a>

[old] jus gray · Post by **[old] jus gray** » December 19th, 2004, 1:05 pm

Thanks SimonB apprechiate your reply.

[old] DIESEL · Post by **[old] DIESEL** » December 19th, 2004, 3:41 pm

Hi Simon, Like I said, Ephedrine is largely safe, but if you have high blood pressure or any kind of heart condition then stay away. Other than that, it's pretty safe and a wonderful diet aid - it curbs appetite, sitmulates fat metabolism (i.e. sparing valuable muscle tissue), and even has a slight buffering effect on lactic acid - key when dieting and exercising - as the drop in calories drops your fitness level. Ephedrine is an individual thing - take a half-dose and if you don't feel like bouncing off the walls and your hands are not shaking as if you had Tourette's (assuming you don't have high blood pressure or heart ailments, ) then you should be OK.

[old] SimonB · Post by **[old] SimonB** » December 19th, 2004, 4:39 pm

Hi Diesel Absolutely agree. However, personally I'd rather not have the uncertainty of a drug which can have side effects that don't sound particularly pleasant. Jus will be able to lose the 5kg he wants through excercise and diet alone. It may take a few more weeks/months to lose it, but in the end lose it he will. Although my body is no temple of purity I find as I get older I want to keep more stuff out of it that I have no real idea what the long term effects will be for a relatively short term gain. Ok, now back to the beer and cookies....

[old] jus gray · Post by **[old] jus gray** » December 19th, 2004, 5:53 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (SimonB @ Dec 19 2004, 10:57 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> (You don't need to go crazy to burn the fat and lose the weight). I would also highly recommended a HRM if you do not currently own one. I really helped my workouts when I bought one a few years ago.  </td></tr></table> Hi SimonB can you explain more to why a hrm helped you please ? I have a cardio sport one that`s hardly ever used probably because I dont know the beneifts of one.

[old] kentuckyliz · Post by **[old] kentuckyliz** » December 19th, 2004, 9:19 pm

One of the most interesting things about the HR monitor is that it has shown me that I must slow down to burn more fat. I want to row harder (at least on the water), and I do sometimes, but it's nice to know that I'm still truly meeting my goals even if I just go out and fahrt around a bit. I was using RPE's but I underestimate rowing RPEs and overestimate walking RPEs because of impact (or lack of it) on my joints...have a bum leg. The HR monitor gives good objective feedback and can be used in all activities, not just rowing. I use the OwnZone feature that takes into account how my heart is doing that day. One row this fall, I noticed that the OwnZone target range figures were way different than usual--I had some crushing stress that day and my heart must have showed it. I had good weight loss last year (about a dress size every three weeks) by following South Beach Phase One and doing long rows as much as possible, morning and night, with half marathons on Sunday mornings. Moderate, comfortable pace. Do intervals if you want to row hard a bit. The best layperson explanation of exercise physiology, and what to do for what goals, is Covert Bailey Smart Exercise. Also, if you are feeling sluggish and need a pickup to even face a workout, it's perfectly fine to drink some caffeinated tea or coffee an hour or two before your workout. Research shows it helps without harming. I don't use pills, but if I'm having a hard time recovering, I'll use sport shakes with Egg Beaters and/or nonfat dry milk powder and/or a soy-whey protein powder (specifically for women). Lowfat dairy plus extra protein aids muscle recovery. I feel it makes a difference. Good luck...and be safe.

[old] SimonB · Post by **[old] SimonB** » December 19th, 2004, 11:21 pm

Hi Jus When I started rowing in my early thirties, I was completely ignorant about training. I would just go to the gym and go like crazy doing the 2k's 5ks etc. I had no idea if I was doing myself more harm than good. I am no expert on HRM and there are many posts on them, but this is my take: Heart rate is a measure of how hard your cardovascular system is working. Your CVS needs to be working at a certain rate for it to get better at what it does. This can be expressed as a % of your maximum heart rate (MHR). There are a few variations on this that other posts go into. If you work your CVS at a certain % of MHR you will burn fat and carbohydrate, but the % of fat and carbo burned is not constant with the % MHR. A number of training zones are definied as % of MHR. Everybodys MHR and hence training zones are different. You'll have to calculate them yourself. The UK site has a very good training guide which you can find <a href='http://www.concept2.co.uk/guide/guide.php' target='_blank'>here</a> See section 3 and table 3.2 for details. So, to cut a long story short, knowing your heart rate can tell you how hard your body is working and for how long. You have probably noticed that somedays you cannot row as far and cannot row as hard. If you use a HRM you will probably see that for the same pace, your HR is much higher than normal. Those are the days you need to backoff the pace and rest a little. Not every row needs (or can be) a personal best. Other days you feel strong and fast, you would probably see you HR lower than normal at the same pace. This is because your hard work on the rower is paying off and you CVS is having to work less for the same amount (pace) of work done. Time to take it up a notch and work harder. When you are ill or fighting an bug (pre symptoms) your HR can be elevated. A HRM can tell you with imperical data what you may know instinctively, that is, your getting a cold/flu/whatever. So HRM take the guess work out of training and fitness. You can measure yourself and know for sure you are getting fitter each and everyday. So that's just may take on it Jus. Worth every penny and I cannot row without one now Simon

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