Practicing Balancing On The C2

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » January 13th, 2006, 12:36 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Jan 12 2006, 07:53 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Balancing on a Swiss Ball, seated in Rowing posture and feet off the floor, is probably a more effective way of training the core muscles and gettgin control over balance. IMO </td></tr></table><br /><br />Wouldn't it be hard to get the erg on a swiss ball that size.

[old] Alissa · Post by **[old] Alissa** » January 13th, 2006, 12:41 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(dadams @ Jan 12 2006, 06:57 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Alissa @ Jan 8 2006, 11:47 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>This is really nice. Thank you for all of the photos, and the insight into your thought processes.<br /><br />I saw a commercial approach to some of the same issues:<br /><br /><img src='http://www.durhamboat.com/CP11.JPG' border='0' alt='user posted image' />, along with a proposed <a href='http://www.coreperform.com/product.php' target='_blank'>training usage plan</a> from the manufacturer. that I thought you might find useful as you use your new seat.<br /><br />WTG, Byron!<br /><br />Alissa <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Alissa,<br />Have you actually tried this? Has anyone? Can someone tell me if it's worth the $150?<br /><br />Dwayne <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Sorry, no. I found it when I was clicking around on the web, and then saw this thread, so passed it along.<br /><br />Sorry I couldn't help.<br /><br />Alissa

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » January 13th, 2006, 10:32 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Jan 12 2006, 08:36 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Jan 12 2006, 07:53 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Balancing on a Swiss Ball, seated in Rowing posture and feet off the floor, is probably a more effective way of training the core muscles and getting control over balance. IMO </td></tr></table><br /><br />Wouldn't it be hard to get the erg on a swiss ball that size. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Well, that's funny and all, but since apparently it was not clear, the Swiss Ball is on the floor. I use one of 85cm diameter. It's a great exercise to do when watching a DVD, I don't notice the effort until finally standing up after 90 minutes or so, then it becomes obvious that the core muscles have been quite lively. <br /><br /><br /><br />

[old] johnja · Post by **[old] johnja** » January 13th, 2006, 6:09 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(dadams @ Jan 12 2006, 09:57 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Alissa @ Jan 8 2006, 11:47 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>This is really nice. Thank you for all of the photos, and the insight into your thought processes.<br /><br />I saw a commercial approach to some of the same issues:<br /><br /><img src='http://www.durhamboat.com/CP11.JPG' border='0' alt='user posted image' />, along with a proposed <a href='http://www.coreperform.com/product.php' target='_blank'>training usage plan</a> from the manufacturer. that I thought you might find useful as you use your new seat.<br /><br />WTG, Byron!<br /><br />Alissa <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Alissa,<br />Have you actually tried this? Has anyone? Can someone tell me if it's worth the $150?<br /><br />Dwayne <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Hi.<br />The Core Perform was developed by my partner and me last year to enhance the Cll erg. The Core Perform CP1 provides a better workout and helps sensitize one to balance and technique. There are two settings, unlocked (unstable) and locked (stable). We wanted the unit to have this feature because a lot of the users will do interval training or will want to test using a stable platform. A number of top flight rowing programs are using the CP1. Our web-site is still under construction but does have some information. To learn more, contact me using the number posted at www.coreperform.com. />thanks!<br />John<br /><br /><br />

[old] Carl Henrik · Post by **[old] Carl Henrik** » January 16th, 2006, 6:01 pm

I asked a club member who is very technically skilled on the water what he thought about the idea of erg on slide on some rounded thing. He pointed out that when sculling the main balance should come from a correct release of the boat, not through compensating with the body. Hence, there may be a risk to develop the wrong beahviour with such a construction. what do you think about that?<br /><br />I believe it will generate better fitness though, less monotony and injury preventing movements.

[old] johnja · Post by **[old] johnja** » January 16th, 2006, 6:38 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Carl Henrik @ Jan 16 2006, 05:01 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I asked a club member who is very technically skilled on the water what he thought about the idea of erg on slide on some rounded thing. He pointed out that when sculling the main balance should come from a correct release of the boat, not through compensating with the body. Hence, there may be a risk to develop the wrong beahviour with such a construction. what do you think about that?<br /><br />I believe it will generate better fitness though, less monotony and injury preventing movements. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />I think what you are referring to is finish and recovery. One of the observations made by a coach who is using the unit is that the Core Perform helps with a quick "hands away" (release?). If, when on the Core Perform, one is not quick hesitates at the finish, balance will probably be lost. <br />I think I addressed your question.<br />Thanks!

[old] ancho · Post by **[old] ancho** » January 17th, 2006, 6:49 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Carl Henrik @ Jan 16 2006, 11:01 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I asked a club member who is very technically skilled on the water what he thought about the idea of erg on slide on some rounded thing. He pointed out that when sculling the main balance should come from a correct release of the boat, not through compensating with the body. Hence, there may be a risk to develop the wrong beahviour with such a construction. what do you think about that?<br /><br />I believe it will generate better fitness though, less monotony and injury preventing movements. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Carl: I thought YOU were technically skilled on water? <br /><br />To feel as if you were on the water, I think you will have to be on the water...<br /><br />Cheers!<br />

[old] Carl Henrik · Post by **[old] Carl Henrik** » January 17th, 2006, 7:40 am

Thanks Ancho, <br />I'm quite ok technically on the water. This guy is better though! He pulls as hard as me on the erg but is about 20s faster than me on the water. He won the LW 1x at the Swedish Championships 2005 with a 12s margin to second place and I'm trying to learn as much as possible from him when it comes to technique. The one who got the silver is a 6:33 on the erg. So it's not me being bad technically, just this guy doing something "magical". <br /><br /><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ancho @ Jan 17 2006, 10:49 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Carl Henrik @ Jan 16 2006, 11:01 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I asked a club member who is very technically skilled on the water what he thought about the idea of erg on slide on some rounded thing. He pointed out that when sculling the main balance should come from a correct release of the boat, not through compensating with the body. Hence, there may be a risk to develop the wrong beahviour with such a construction. what do you think about that?<br /><br />I believe it will generate better fitness though, less monotony and injury preventing movements. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Carl: I thought YOU were technically skilled on water? <br /><br />To feel as if you were on the water, I think you will have to be on the water...<br /><br />Cheers! <br /> </td></tr></table><br />

[old] Byron Drachman · Post by **[old] Byron Drachman** » January 30th, 2006, 3:23 pm

Thanks to Alissa for finding the coreperform website. <br /><br />One of my January Challenge team members tried my homemade rocking seat and liked it. She ordered one from coreperform (well, actually from Durham Boat Company, who carries them.) I offered to maker her one of my simple versions so she could start rockin' in the meantime, but she said no thanks, she'll wait. It arrived a couple of days ago and she is enjoying it greatly. She says <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> The seat is awesome </td></tr></table> She says the same thing I do, that it works the muscles around the middle. I think it helps me balance on the water, especially in rough water, and uses a lot of the same muscles. Of course I agree that the best way to practice balance is to row on water, and some balancing is done by hand positions, etc., and that the balancing is not the same. Still, this is a nice core workout which you can incorporate with your ergometer sessions. Speaking of core workouts, Xeno's upper body rowing workout is great fun and works on core strength and flexibility. <br /><br />The other January Challenge member of our "triker-cochroach" team says he'll be getting one, too. Otherwise he'll look out of place as Deb and I look fit and trim with our firm middles and 6-packs. I made the same offer to him, but he also says no thanks, he'll get one from coreperform. <br /><br />I like Paul's suggestion of sitting on a Swiss ball while watching TV. However, some of my best power naps are taking while "watching TV." Can you doze off while sitting on a Swiss ball?<br /><br />Byron

[old] Byron Drachman · Post by **[old] Byron Drachman** » February 3rd, 2006, 3:50 pm

From the Art of Sculling by Joe Paduda, copyright 1992 by Ragged Mountain Press<br /><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> swing: The almost mystical sweet spot of team and individual sculling. Swing occurs when the entire crew is moving perfectly in unison and the boat seems to be moving very fast without much effort. If you have swing, you'll know it. It does not happen very often. </td></tr></table> <br />Sometimes I tape a level to the boat near the footstretchers to see how level I am keeping the boat. I don't want to depend on the level, but I do like to check now and then to see if what I think is level actually is level.<br /><br />I had a revelation this morning while sculling. What I realized is that when everything feels good when I glance at the level, the bubble is right middle. Whenever things are a little off, the bubble is a little to one side or the other. For me, it seems that a main ingredient of those infrequent moments of swing is balance. <br /><br />Since I've been practicing balance with the rockin' seat, it seems I do have better balance in the boat. At least when I glance at the level, the bubble is in the middle more often.<br /><br />Oh,oh, two postings in a row. Always a bad sign. Have I become fixated on balance?<br /><br />Byron<br />

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