Rod Freed

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->you travelled a long way for as giving in to the "moment of doubt", or was that for a different reason? </td></tr></table><br /><br />This has been explained many times. At BIRC last year, my stroke wasn't in any kind of shape to race. You seem to think that it isn't even now (and there is some justification to this claim, too, but nothing like the situation last year). "Moment of doubt." Hardly. A little more substantial than that!<br /><br />The change I have made in technique has been massive--in drag, timing, sequencing, leverage, body positioning, stroking power, rate--you name it. The change is now complete. I am happy what I have accomplished with my technique.<br /><br />As you have just pointed out, even with the stroke stable and workable now at low and middle rates, successful sharpening at high rates will be quite a project.<br /><br />I am looking forward to the challenge.<br /><br />I am out on a limb--pretty far. 12.5 SPI is very strong stroke for a 55-59 lwt. It will be interesting to see if I can learn to race with it. If I can, the results will be fun to experience!<br /><br />ranger<br /><br />

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Ranger - why not use the services of a coach? Or are you *too* set in your ways to take advice from others? I think you could benefit from coaching......all top sportspeople do. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I will indeed seek out coaching (of all sorts) as I continue my work OTW.<br /><br />Erging is another matter. I enjoy working out my own training for the erg. This is one of the great satisfactions I get from participating in rowing (and other individual sports).<br /><br />"Top sportspeople"? I am just a 55-year-old English professor, who took up rowing when he was 50 because he could no longer run.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Caviston should be able to do around 1:40.5 pace for the hour, which is over 17,900 meters.<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Dec 14 2005, 07:13 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Dec 14 2005, 07:13 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You're off the wall on this one, John. Mike should be able to do about 17.2K (1:45) for an hour, and I suspect he can. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Why is he so afraid of Kent Timm then??<br /><br />The reason is because Kent Timm is faster and would kick his butt. <br /><br /><!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Dec 14 2005, 07:13 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Dec 14 2005, 07:13 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Eskild E. does about 18K (1:40) for an hour, but he is 5 seconds per 500 faster than Mike in the 2K </td></tr></table><br /><br />That is 2k + 8 for Ebbesen, and he did it in practice as a matter of course. Surely he could average 2 seconds faster in a competition when not taking it easy. <br /><br />Progressions follow a nice power learning curve, and these times are right on the curve of the top competitors through the distances.<br />

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-johnnybike+Dec 14 2005, 07:23 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(johnnybike @ Dec 14 2005, 07:23 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->John,<br /><br />I find it hard to tell from your sig whether your 2K PB is 7:24 or 7:29. Either way it is woefully weak compared to your much better performances over the distance stuff. IMHO of course. No disrespect intended[right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />Thanks. <br />

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-R S T+Dec 14 2005, 08:28 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(R S T @ Dec 14 2005, 08:28 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Ranger - why not use the services of a coach? Or are you *too* set in your ways to take advice from others?<br /><br />I think you could benefit from coaching......all top sportspeople do. <br /><br />Cheers<br />Richard[right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />Rich knows how to train, he's just not been doing it.<br /><br />The best coach for him would guide him to regaining his confidence in what he was doing at the beginning, before he was misguided off path and now is afraid to see his own shadow. <br />

[[old] R S T]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Dec 14 2005, 04:40 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Dec 14 2005, 04:40 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><br /><b>"Top sportspeople"? I am just a 55-year-old English professor, who took up rowing when he was 50 because he could no longer run.</b><br /><br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />Ranger - <br /><br />Enough with the false modesty ........there are countless posts with you proclaiming your WR rows etc etc.<br /><br />'Top sportspeople' was deliberately chosen to include men/women of all ages performing at the highest level. Whether other forumites agree with your training regime or not, I am sure almost all recognise your achievements in erging.<br /><br />You insist on not engaging a coach - fine, but there has to be 'free speed' somewhere in the equation - there is for all of us - the problem is finding all of it. <br /><br />Cheers<br />Richard<br /><br />

[[old] gw1]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Rich knows how to train, he's just not been doing it.<br /><br />The best coach for him would guide him to regaining his confidence in what he was doing at the beginning, before he was misguided off path and now is afraid to see his own shadow.  </td></tr></table><br /><br />I think he DOES listen to what coaches say, then makes his own choices, and according to his posts works very hard on what he feels works best for him.

[[old] becz]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Perhaps Mathematics and Economics are the same in the UK, certainly they are not, in the USA.<br /> </td></tr></table><br />Not the same, but one is very important to the other. Many math Ph.D.s work in Economics. For example:<br /><br /><b>Maximizing Confidence That a Functional of a Diffusion Process Will Hit a Target</b><br />by<br /><b>Rod Freed, California State University Dominguez Hills, Senem Alkan, California State University Long Beach, CA</b><br /><i>For a diffusion process with drift vector s(x(t)) = (s1 (x(t), s2 (x(t), . . . , sm (x(t)) )’ and diffusion matrix d(x(t)) = dij(x(t)) , if g(.) is a twice-differentiable function from Rm to R, then it is well known that the expected accumulated value of g(x(t)) over the time interval satisfies the nonstochastic PDE. In this paper, we show that nonparametric regression can be used to produce and estimate these as the sample size grows. Then we prove a central limit theorem for independent but not identically distributed random variables, and use this CLT to discuss the related results. As an application, we show that these can be used to find the proportion of one's wealth which should be invested in each available asset, so as to maximize confidence that the value of one's portfolio will hit a pre-specified appreciation target.</i><br /><br />Why are we so afraid to believe that some people are exceptional at things we wish we were exceptional at? The comments about "I work hard, and I can't do that, so how is it possible that someone else can?" are interesting in their own right. C2 USA did a piece on Rod Freed many years ago, in which he talked more about his training, even discussing how he tried rowing extreme distances using a CamelBak so he wouldn't have to stop to drink. He exists, he's real, get over it (from someone who works hard, and yet still "can't do that").<br />

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You insist on not engaging a coach - fine, but there has to be 'free speed' somewhere in the equation - there is for all of us - the problem is finding all of it. </td></tr></table><br /><br />Who says I haven't found it?<br /><br /> <br /><br />Clearly, I have found it as well as anyone else. <br /><br />If the question is whether I have found it _all_, well, we'll have to wait and see about that one. I think I will get better and better with the proper rowing technique I have just learned, both OTW and on the erg, for many years. My racing this year will just be a beginning. I am still a novice!<br /><br />I think my full potential on the erg is 6:16. With a full stroke and proper technique (12.5 SPI), that's a 2K at 34 spm.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I think he DOES listen to what coaches say, then makes his own choices, and according to his posts works very hard on what he feels works best for him.<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /> <br /><br />sssssssssshhhhhhhhhhhhh, Gary, you are giving away my secrets!<br /><br />ranger

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-gw1+Dec 14 2005, 09:11 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(gw1 @ Dec 14 2005, 09:11 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I think he DOES listen to what coaches say[right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />Yes, and thereby has the problem arisen. <br />

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-becz+Dec 14 2005, 09:26 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(becz @ Dec 14 2005, 09:26 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->C2 USA did a piece on Rod Freed many years ago, in which he talked more about his training, even discussing how he tried rowing extreme distances using a CamelBak so he wouldn't have to stop to drink.  He exists, he's real, get over it (from someone who works hard, and yet still "can't do that").[right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />Are you sure that was Freed, and would you happen to have a copy of the article?<br /><br />Thanks much. <br />

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Dec 14 2005, 09:28 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Dec 14 2005, 09:28 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->With a full stroke and proper technique (12.5 SPI), that's a 2K at 34 spm.[right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />You're not going to reach your potential at 34 spm.<br /><br />It might sound good but you're just blowing hot air into a cold wind.<br /><br />It's not going to happen.

[[old] PaulS]

<!--QuoteBegin-becz+Dec 14 2005, 09:26 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(becz @ Dec 14 2005, 09:26 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Perhaps Mathematics and Economics are the same in the UK, certainly they are not, in the USA.<br /> </td></tr></table><br />Not the same, but one is very important to the other. Many math Ph.D.s work in Economics. <br /><br />Why are we so afraid to believe that some people are exceptional at things we wish we were exceptional at? The comments about "I work hard, and I can't do that, so how is it possible that someone else can?" are interesting in their own right. C2 USA did a piece on Rod Freed many years ago, in which he talked more about his training, even discussing how he tried rowing extreme distances using a CamelBak so he wouldn't have to stop to drink. He exists, he's real, get over it (from someone who works hard, and yet still "can't do that"). <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Since you are quoting something I typed, I'll address your questions, at least with respect to me, I have no idea who "we" is, I'm sure it does not include me however.<br /><br />Who is afraid of believing exceptional performances? I don't know. My performances have been questioned, in spite of being witnessed, not "wished". I like to see what the "possibilities" are, in fact it's too bad Freed has dropped off the radar, but I can understand why he may have.<br /><br />How is it possible that others can not do what some can? We are not all equal.<br /><br />Of course he exists, I looked it up in the first place. <br /><br />My only issue still stands: His distance times are out of the ballpark in relation to his 2k, he is obvioulsy way out at the end of the bell curve for reasons other than simply his training methods (self admitted "no top end"). Just like Ranger, there are training methods that might work for one that won't work for anyone else (for whatever reason), but there are also training methods that will work for a whole lot of folks that also do things like fit into a shorter schedule. Personally, I'm up for the least amount of training time that gets me the best result, even over the most amount that gets me the same best result, call me silly.

[[old] gw1]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Personally, I'm up for the least amount of training time that gets me the best result, even over the most amount that gets me the same best result, call me silly. </td></tr></table><br /><br />Ah spoken like a fellow true member of the "used to be reasonably fast, 40 + "Fat Boy" Heavy Weight Club". <br />Now Paul i think that we should exit this "distance" thread and return to the Cabana for some Seasonal cheer!