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[old] allapologies916 · Post by **[old] allapologies916** » June 23rd, 2005, 4:39 pm

What part of your foot do you push off of when your erging?

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » June 23rd, 2005, 5:13 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(allapologies916 @ Jun 23 2005, 12:39 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>What part of your foot do you push off of when your erging? <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />The bottom. <br /><br />Mostly the heel, but you can think of it as the whole sole.<br /><br />Forget about the "Off the toes" ideas, the angle of the footplate takes care of that for us and if you are too much up on your toes, it's very likely you are overcompressed at the catch.

[old] Mel Harbour · Post by **[old] Mel Harbour** » June 25th, 2005, 7:28 am

Toes at the front end, then press the heels back down into contact with the footplate early in the drive. Towards the end of the drive, most of the drive through the heels, but keep the toes against the footplate (don't pull back against the straps).<br /><br />If you aren't getting far enough forwards to get onto your toes, it's very likely that you're undercompressing at the catch!

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » June 25th, 2005, 8:11 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Forget about the "Off the toes" ideas, the angle of the footplate takes care of that for us and if you are too much up on your toes, it's very likely you are overcompressed at the catch. <br /><br />Toes at the front end. If you aren't getting far enough forwards to get onto your toes, it's very likely that you're undercompressing at the catch. </td></tr></table><br /><br /> <br /><br />ranger

[old] Xeno · Post by **[old] Xeno** » June 25th, 2005, 3:05 pm

Hi<br />To my surprise, Thomas Lange is a toe pusher at the end of the stroke! For your information, Thomas won several time the world championship in the men's single scull and has won two Olympic gold medals and a bronze in the single scull. He was taught to use the last bit of stroke length by pushing of the ball of the foot.<br />I do the opposit, I press the heel as hard as I can against the footboard.<br />People have won Olympic gold medals rowing both ways...<br />XENO

[old] rick-the-chemist · Post by **[old] rick-the-chemist** » June 25th, 2005, 5:51 pm

Hmmm,<br /><br />I push with my hells because i never get onto my toes. At the catch i can have beyond vertical shins and still have my heels down. This came to my attention after following xeno's workout dvd where he goes to 3/4 slide, the point where your heels just stay on the footplate. Anybody else in the same position? Do i have mega flexible ankles???<br /><br />Rick

[old] Xeno · Post by **[old] Xeno** » June 25th, 2005, 11:37 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(rick-the-chemist @ Jun 25 2005, 04:51 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Hmmm,<br /><br />I push with my hells because i never get onto my toes. At the catch i can have beyond vertical shins and still have my heels down. This came to my attention after following xeno's workout dvd where he goes to 3/4 slide, the point where your heels just stay on the footplate. Anybody else in the same position? Do i have mega flexible ankles???<br /><br />Rick <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Hi Rick<br />If you are interested hire me to give you DVD coaching feedback. Send me your video and I analyse and respond with my own DVD footage for you.

[old] rick-the-chemist · Post by **[old] rick-the-chemist** » June 26th, 2005, 6:13 am

Xeno<br /><br />I haven't got access to a video camera at the moment but when i do i'll be i touch!<br /><br />Thanks<br /><br />Rick

[old] Canoeist · Post by **[old] Canoeist** » June 26th, 2005, 6:53 am

I like to leave a little gap between my foot straps and my feet. With the small gap, I can push off my heels with my toes coming off the footplates about two inches. It lengthens the leg drive a by an inch. It isn't much, but I think in general, the longer your leg drive the better. Try it to see what I mean.<br /><br />Cheers,<br /><br />Paul Flack

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » June 26th, 2005, 10:21 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>To my surprise, Thomas Lange is a toe pusher at the end of the stroke! For your information, Thomas won several time the world championship in the men's single scull and has won two Olympic gold medals and a bronze in the single scull. He was taught to use the last bit of stroke length by pushing of the ball of the foot. </td></tr></table><br /><br />Xeno--<br /><br />This is interesting to hear. This is how I have always raced to this point, and for exactly the same reason. I feel as though I get more stroke length by poushing off the ball of my foot at the finish (as well as at the catch). <br /><br />In my recent training, I have been rowing off my toes at the catch but off my heels at the finish for the last two years or so, but for whatever reason, as I have dropped the drag (now to 95 df.) lately, I have naturally returned to rowing off my toes at the finish. <br /><br />Muscularly, my stroke feels quicker, lighter, more balanced, and more controlled/precise when I row off my toes/balls of my feet rather than off my heels. This is especially true at high rates, e.g., when I am racing.<br /><br />ranger

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » June 26th, 2005, 6:48 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Xeno @ Jun 25 2005, 11:05 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Hi<br />To my surprise, Thomas Lange is a toe pusher at the end of the stroke! <br /><br />I do the opposite, I press the heel as hard as I can against the footboard.<br /><br />People have won Olympic gold medals rowing both ways...<br />XENO <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Yes, but did Mr. Lange ever beat you? <br /><br />IMO, it would take the flexibility fo a ballet dancer to press off your toes at the finish. That's not to say that people don't think that they are doing it, but as with so many things in rowing, "many do not actually do what they think they are doing", otherwise there would be much less strange looking "rowing" going on. <br />

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » June 26th, 2005, 7:57 pm

I'd be very surprised if you could lengthen your leg drive by lifting your toes.<br /><br />I did try it this morning and didn't get any more length. <br /><br />Maybe you're not extending your legs when your toes are down.<br />

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » June 26th, 2005, 7:59 pm

You can get more length by going up on your toes though.

[old] Xeno · Post by **[old] Xeno** » June 26th, 2005, 9:03 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Jun 26 2005, 05:48 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Xeno @ Jun 25 2005, 11:05 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Hi<br />To my surprise, Thomas Lange is a toe pusher at the end of the stroke! <br /><br />I do the opposite, I press the heel as hard as I can against the footboard.<br /><br />People have won Olympic gold medals rowing both ways...<br />XENO <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Yes, but did Mr. Lange ever beat you? <br /><br />IMO, it would take the flexibility fo a ballet dancer to press off your toes at the finish. That's not to say that people don't think that they are doing it, but as with so many things in rowing, "many do not actually do what they think they are doing", otherwise there would be much less strange looking "rowing" going on. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />I remember Thomas to be completely surprised when I told him that I connected through the heel. Marnie McBean connects through the heel. However Mike Spraklin preaches to his rowers to push off with their toes...<br />Another toe pusher is Ekatarina Karsten, Olympic Gold 96 and 00. In the single scull I use the heels to control the lateral motion of the boat. <br />I hope you had a great weekend.<br />XENO

[old] Mel Harbour · Post by **[old] Mel Harbour** » June 27th, 2005, 5:26 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Xeno @ Jun 26 2005, 08:03)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I remember Thomas to be completely surprised when I told him that I connected through the heel. Marnie McBean connects through the heel. However Mike Spraklin preaches to his rowers to push off with their toes...<br />Another toe pusher is Ekatarina Karsten, Olympic Gold 96 and 00. In the single scull I use the heels to control the lateral motion of the boat. <br />I hope you had a great weekend.<br />XENO <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Valery Kleshnev (biomechanist) reckons you want to push through your heels towards the finish.<br /><br />I agree there are many ways to skin a cat. Interesting seeing the differences.<br /><br />I think it would be impossible for (for example) the Canadians to have finished the stroke with the body positions in the way they have done in the last couple of years while concentrating a drive through their heels.<br /><br />Mel<br />

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