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[old] pamcnm · Post by **[old] pamcnm** » February 27th, 2005, 11:52 pm

For the record John, my diet does not consist of 40% fat. What lead you to make such a conclusion? I was just trying to make the point that newer research is revealing that we have mistakenly taken all dietary fat to be be bad for us, when this is not true. As for the percentage of total calories of oatmeal which are from fat, it probably varies slightly based on the brand/type. My label is consistant with Gus'. However, my point was, and still is, that it is misleadfing to refer to oatmeal as a high fat food. I eat both fats and carbs, and have neither a low carb nor low fat diet. My diet has changed over the years based on my needs and the things that I learn. And sometimes I eat simply for pleasure!

[old] Steve_R · Post by **[old] Steve_R** » February 27th, 2005, 11:58 pm

There is a lot out there that when looked at in isolation would seem odd Radish is 22% fat Chives are 20% fat Parsley is 18% fat Zucchini is 15% fat Bibb lettuce is 14% fat Spinach is 13% fat Tomato is 13% fat And that is before you add the dressing!!! Could you ever believe that a salad would be bad for you? *tongue firmly in cheek* Steve

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » February 28th, 2005, 1:52 am

Pam, Sure some fat is good. Steve, Your tongue in cheek percentages are off quite a bit. Humor? Radish - 5% calories from fat Chives - 9% Parsley - 11% Zucchini - 6% Bibb lettuce - 6 to 14$ Spinach - 11% Tomato - 8% Personally my feeling is that a diet around 10% of calories from fat is pretty good. The rice diet is for those who are overweight and who already have an abundance of fat in their bodies. In that case I would say the diet should certainly be no more than 10% of calories from fat. The rice diet is less than that, however still contains some fat in it.

[old] starboardrigged1seat · Post by **[old] starboardrigged1seat** » February 28th, 2005, 2:10 am

My diet contains 30 percent of calories from fat. I too have 5% body fat, and eat far more than 1,000 calories per day.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » February 28th, 2005, 3:21 am

It is possible to be 5% body fat and have atherosclerosis, which I suspect you do. What is your blood pressure and what is your total cholesterol count?

[old] Steve_R · Post by **[old] Steve_R** » February 28th, 2005, 8:12 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Feb 28 2005, 12:52 AM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Steve, Your tongue in cheek percentages are off quite a bit. Humor? Radish - 5% calories from fat Chives - 9% Parsley - 11% Zucchini - 6% Bibb lettuce - 6 to 14$ Spinach - 11% Tomato - 8% </td></tr></table> It wasn't humor, I was just exhibiting the risk of looking at one food attribute in isolation. Even though these foods have very little total fat, they also have little calories which can make the % Cal from fat to be somewhat large. All of these foods have their place in a varied diet because of the other nutrients they contain. For me, a 10% fat diet is too little and my body doesn't like it. If it works for you, John, then that is what works for you and I encourage everyone to find out what works for them. I was around 20% but recently, I have upped it to between 25-30% to see if my body responds better to that. As to the accuracy, I was using a database based on USDA nutrient database SR13 but I looked at what is current according to the USDA for 100g of food. Not sure what happened with the radish, maybe I fat fingered the calculator. Also included the database number for each of the foods since some foods have multiple entries. According to the USDA Nutrient Database SR17: Radish 11430 - 5% (.1g total lipids for 18 Cals per 100g) Chives 11156 - 22% (.73g total lipids for 30 Cals per 100g) Parsley 11297- 20% (.79g total lipid for 36 Cals per 100g) Zucchini 11953- 17% (.40g total lipid for 21 Cals per 100g) Bibb Lettuce 11250 - 15% (.22g total lipid for 13 Cals per 100g) Spinach 11457 - 15% (.39g total lipid for 23 Cals per 100g) Tomato 11529 - 10% (.20g total lipid for 18 Cals per 100g) Some of the earlier numbers were indeed wrong but these are the most current. Steve

[old] pamcnm · Post by **[old] pamcnm** » February 28th, 2005, 2:56 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Feb 28 2005, 07:21 AM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>It is possible to be 5% body fat and have atherosclerosis, which I suspect you do. What is your blood pressure and what is your total cholesterol count? </td></tr></table> John, What education and training do you possess which allows you to make these assumptions? You know nothing about the condition of this man's arteries (and neither do I). BTW, are you aware that there are certain medical conditions and risk factors associated with a bood cholsetrol level below 160?

[old] starboardrigged1seat · Post by **[old] starboardrigged1seat** » February 28th, 2005, 5:37 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Feb 28 2005, 02:21 AM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>It is possible to be 5% body fat and have atherosclerosis, which I suspect you do. What is your blood pressure and what is your total cholesterol count? </td></tr></table> My blood pressure is just fine, I'm only 18 and have a 45 resting heart rate, and am doing just fine in my training, thank you very much.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » February 28th, 2005, 5:50 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(pamcnm @ Feb 28 2005, 10:56 AM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>John, What education and training do you possess which allows you to make these assumptions? You know nothing about the condition of this man's arteries (and neither do I). </td></tr></table> Pam, His diet, consisting of 30% calories from fat. <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>BTW, are you aware that there are certain medical conditions and risk factors associated with a bood cholsetrol level below 160? </td></tr></table> Health? Yes I suppose that would be a risk factor. By the way 80% of the world's population has a total cholesterol below 150. It is ironic that the United States, one of the most unhealthy countries, considers 210 to be healthy and 150 to be unhealthy.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » February 28th, 2005, 5:53 pm

Starboard, I'm glad you are doing fine. Can you tell me, how much is "just fine"?

[old] starboardrigged1seat · Post by **[old] starboardrigged1seat** » February 28th, 2005, 6:24 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Feb 28 2005, 04:53 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Starboard, I'm glad you are doing fine. Can you tell me, how much is "just fine"? </td></tr></table> Well, I can row 2 x 6k faster than your 2k split, and am in the upper 90% of lightweight rowers my age. I am the same weight as you, have 5 to 6% body fat, I look healthy, and have a 45 resting heart rate. When I have to start losing weight this spring, the percentage of my calories from fat will go down, as well the amount of total calories. That qualifies as "fine" by my standards.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » February 28th, 2005, 7:45 pm

Starboard, Okay, whatever, thought you said your blood pressure and total cholesterol are "just fine"? If you don't even know what they are then how can they be "just fine"? It sounds to me that "just fine" is either a delusion or wishful thinking. By the way, I am 59 and my resting HR is 43, not that this means anything as Rod Freed's is 65.

[old] ninthman · Post by **[old] ninthman** » February 28th, 2005, 7:49 pm

My resting HR is 215, but I'm only six inches tall, so the realities of thermodynamics and relative mass/surface-area ratios make this furious cardiac pace a necessity for warmblooded living. This does help explain my penchant for rowing at rate 145 with drag factors of, say, 15 or 16, though.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » February 28th, 2005, 7:50 pm

Starboard, 90% for your age means you are rowing 6:42 for the 2k. Yes that's a very good time. Congratulations.

[old] starboardrigged1seat · Post by **[old] starboardrigged1seat** » February 28th, 2005, 10:50 pm

Alright, I'm better than that, as I rowed a 6:36. Last year. I don't know my blood pressure because I've never had a reason to. I go to regular doctor check ups, donate blood during the summer, and train throughout the year. I have not had any cardiac problems. You aren't my doctor. You don't know me, don't pretend to.