First Ever Virtual Team Challenge

[old] Will · Post by **[old] Will** » January 4th, 2006, 5:27 pm

When I go in to manage my team, the total meters rowed shows as 379,072 with 12 active members. When I view the team standings and sort by team, the total meters rowed shows as 371,072 with 12 active members. When I view the team standings and sort by "individual sorted by team" and I manually add up the meters rowed I get 379,072 and there are 12 members. I have one team member that has rowed 8,000 meters, which appears to be the difference. Why are those meters appearing in some places but not in the team standings when sorted by team?

[old] ulu · Post by **[old] ulu** » January 4th, 2006, 5:42 pm

For those of you still looking for a fun team to join, check out the Eh!Team We are "rowing" across the Atlantic and from there around the world. We keep track of our individual progress and plot it on a map. Check it out at: <a href='http://216.119.121.169/Cross%20Canada%2 ... ic_row.htm' target='_blank'>Trans Atlantic Row</a> Click on the picture of the earth and a google earth file will download to your computer. (You need <a href='http://earth.google.com' target='_blank'> Google Earth </a>installed on your computer for this to work) Our "rowbot" automatically updates the distances rowed each day so we can keep track of individual and daily progress. Keep on rowin', Jim

[old] taylom · Post by **[old] taylom** » January 7th, 2006, 10:36 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(Will @ Jan 5 2006, 06:27 AM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>When I go in to manage my team, the total meters rowed shows as 379,072 with 12 active members. When I view the team standings and sort by team, the total meters rowed shows as 371,072 with 12 active members. When I view the team standings and sort by "individual sorted by team" and I manually add up the meters rowed I get 379,072 and there are 12 members. I have one team member that has rowed 8,000 meters, which appears to be the difference. Why are those meters appearing in some places but not in the team standings when sorted by team? </td></tr></table> A few teams seem to have an issue with variances when you toggle between view as you mentioned. I noticed the team I joined (Taff attack) is also different between the team view and aggregate of individual team members. Out of all the teams, only 6 seem to be impacted, so guess the problem is specific to how some of the rows have been logged? Current variance between the two views for all teams is: Arizona Outlaws -130,632 Taff Attack -67,200 National Indoor Rowing Team of El Salvador -40,233 Ancients -9,680 Maine Rowers -8,000 Team Oz -7,000 Total variance -262,745

[old] Kappy · Post by **[old] Kappy** » January 8th, 2006, 12:57 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(taylom @ Jan 7 2006, 09:36 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(Will @ Jan 5 2006, 06:27 AM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>When I go in to manage my team, the total meters rowed shows as 379,072 with 12 active members. When I view the team standings and sort by team, the total meters rowed shows as 371,072 with 12 active members. When I view the team standings and sort by "individual sorted by team" and I manually add up the meters rowed I get 379,072 and there are 12 members. I have one team member that has rowed 8,000 meters, which appears to be the difference. Why are those meters appearing in some places but not in the team standings when sorted by team? </td></tr></table> A few teams seem to have an issue with variances when you toggle between view as you mentioned. I noticed the team I joined (Taff attack) is also different between the team view and aggregate of individual team members. Out of all the teams, only 6 seem to be impacted, so guess the problem is specific to how some of the rows have been logged? Current variance between the two views for all teams is: Arizona Outlaws -130,632 Taff Attack -67,200 National Indoor Rowing Team of El Salvador -40,233 Ancients -9,680 Maine Rowers -8,000 Team Oz -7,000 Total variance -262,745 </td></tr></table> I am in taff-attack, and for this month I've rowed 67,200 meters on the water. So the discrepency must be me. Very frustrating. I thought that my on the water meters counted like my erg ones. I am using a speed-coach (backed up by a gps) and except for my first row this year - I'm in a single. It should be 'fair' to count on the water meters. kappy

[old] woolsmith · Post by **[old] woolsmith** » January 8th, 2006, 1:24 am

Hi Kappy! I didn't read anywhere in the rules where it said that you "couldn't" use meters rowed on water. And if you entered the meters in the online logbook, I wouldn't think it could tell the difference, unless I'm missing something. And hey, I have ADD so I miss stuff all the time! So I'm inclined to think it might be the spreadsheet program for the challenge having a faulty math computation in it or something?? (And I am SUCH a computer wizard, btw! ) --Jen in WI P.S. Duh. I just discovered the selection for rowing on slides, water, standard.... Please pardon my ignorance, but how would slides make a difference for erging without them?

[old] tjod · Post by **[old] tjod** » January 8th, 2006, 1:32 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(woolsmith @ Jan 7 2006, 09:24 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Hi Kappy! I didn't read anywhere in the rules where it said that you "couldn't" use meters rowed on water. And if you entered the meters in the online logbook, I wouldn't think it could tell the difference, unless I'm missing something. And hey, I have ADD so I miss stuff all the time! So I'm inclined to think it might be the spreadsheet program for the challenge having a faulty math computation in it or something?? (And I am SUCH a computer wizard, btw! ) --Jen in WI </td></tr></table> Jen; When you enter meters in the log. you can select the "type": <img src='http://timster.net/type.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> If type is water or slides, I understood it wasn't counted towards the virtual teams.

[old] Citroen · Post by **[old] Citroen** » January 8th, 2006, 7:24 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(tjod @ Jan 8 2006, 05:32 AM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Jen; When you enter meters in the log. you can select the "type": <img src='http://timster.net/type.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> If type is water or slides, I understood it wasn't counted towards the virtual teams. </td></tr></table> I hope they are counted. Kappy has done 154002m for my TAFF ATTACK team.

[old] kinley · Post by **[old] kinley** » January 8th, 2006, 8:32 am

Perhaps I lack imagination, but it would never occur to me to log on-the-water meters on this site. Let alone for a challenge. If I logged all my water meters, I'd be up with Dwayne Adams on the season standings board ! Can we have dropdown option for paddling too?

[old] kinley · Post by **[old] kinley** » January 8th, 2006, 10:12 am

If OTW meters count for the team challenge, what's to stop a team from participating, or winning, that never logs so much as a solitary meter on the machine? That doesn't seem right to me. Sculling and erging are two different, if complementary, activities. And the JVTC is an erging challenge. >>-----> Kinley

[old] Kappy · Post by **[old] Kappy** » January 8th, 2006, 1:27 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(kinley @ Jan 8 2006, 09:12 AM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>If OTW meters count for the team challenge, what's to stop a team from participating, or winning, that never logs so much as a solitary meter on the machine? That doesn't seem right to me. Sculling and erging are two different, if complementary, activities. And the JVTC is an erging challenge. >>-----> Kinley </td></tr></table> For the holiday challenge I logged my erg meters and water meters in their correct spots and the program sorted them out. I was publically ranked only by my erged meters. My 'yearly' total at the top of my log in page counted both. The holiday challenge states specifically that it only counts erg meters. This challenge is more confusing - because on the individual page they have all my meters rowed - but the people who've done the math have noticed my water miles haven't gone to the team. Back when I started rowing and our team used a model A as part of selection - we used to have all sorts of arguments about how the erg applied. The big question was how 'far' to row on the erg to make a meaningful test. The official "crash-b" test at the time was 2500 - which took individual rowers longer to do than 2000 meters on the water in an eight. We were told it was supposed to be like making us race in singles. So we seriously debated this a lot. If the erg with a proper odometer set at 2500 was a single - what distance would a four be? And the eight. Nevermind whether it was more fair to put the chain on the 'hard' or 'easy' sprocket before your piece. Although we all knew the conversion to rowing on the water was arbitrary -- from the very beginning it was obvious that the erg was 'fair' and was therefore going to stay. When it comes to "how do these meters really count" people don't even question it any more. The concept-2 read-out has actually become the 'true' numbers -- and the numbers your speed-coach gives you either tells you that you need to improve your technique - or you are just that much better on the water. In terms of defeating the purpose - I think C2 is all about encouraging people to row. And they probably want to keep people using their products. For the record, I use C2 oars.

[old] kinley · Post by **[old] kinley** » January 8th, 2006, 3:43 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>For the record, I use C2 oars. </td></tr></table> oh dear. You either (a) took a magnifying glass to my photo or ( read my comments on another forum

[old] kinley · Post by **[old] kinley** » January 8th, 2006, 3:46 pm

That sunglass thing in the last post was supposed to be a letter "b" in parentheses.

[old] Kappy · Post by **[old] Kappy** » January 8th, 2006, 8:29 pm

Are they drehars? ONE of my water workouts was in a quad and I used crokers. It even felt like cheating. Only because the mileage in the quad was so easy. The down-side was that it was a shorter workout than I would have done alone. The log they have on this site has a spot for my erged meters and my water meters. My previous log book is dogeared and soggy and full of questionable math, unidentified phone numbers, missing months and third and forth workouts penciled into the margins. This is much better. So now its my rowing log. It even does all the math. I don't really choose whether or not they put the meters into the challenge. So I am going to continue to log my 'water' meters under the 'water' section and its up to the people in charge whether to count them. You should keep a log of your water rowing too. Even if it puts you in the company of some sweaty ergo-gods. Its not like there is a smell problem to deal with in the virtual world.

[old] woolsmith · Post by **[old] woolsmith** » January 8th, 2006, 9:53 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(tjod @ Jan 8 2006, 01:32 AM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> Jen; When you enter meters in the log. you can select the "type": <img src='http://timster.net/type.jpg' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> If type is water or slides, I understood it wasn't counted towards the virtual teams. </td></tr></table> Thanks, tj! I went back and "played" with the toggles and found it. Now my next question is this: How would meters rowed using the slides count? Are they logged as regular erg meters? Seems to me they should be, since the PMs would be counting regular meters on the erg, but when factoring in my faulty brain.... Do slides do anything different for a workout besides just giving the movement effect of being OTW? Thanks! --Jen

[old] tjod · Post by **[old] tjod** » January 8th, 2006, 10:04 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(woolsmith @ Jan 8 2006, 05:53 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> Do slides do anything different for a workout besides just giving the movement effect of being OTW? Thanks! --Jen </td></tr></table> I've never used slides, but have seen comments to the effect that they are smoother and more like rowing on water. I know Xeno is a big fan of slides - maybe he'll chime in here with a better description... I'd like to try them sometime but don't want to spend the money without a trial period of some sort. I'm also not sure I'd have room since the rower is in the garage and near a post that can't be moved ... space is at a major premium here.

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