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[old] Byron Drachman · Post by **[old] Byron Drachman** » February 9th, 2005, 11:04 pm

Here are two more Taffians: granddaughters 11-year-old Karina and 7-year-old Julianna: <a href='http://www.math.msu.edu/~drachman/row/karina.AVI' target='_blank'>http://www.math.msu.edu/~drachman/row/karina.AVI</a> <a href='http://www.math.msu.edu/~drachman/row/julianna.AVI' target='_blank'>http://www.math.msu.edu/~drachman/row/j ... AVI</a> Cute kids, wouldn’t you say? Byron

[old] AussieTaff · Post by **[old] AussieTaff** » February 9th, 2005, 11:09 pm

Hi Warnie, nice to hear from you now the Oz cricket has finished (bit tame though wasn't it - I reckon you would have got more excitement over there from doing Carla's Challenges ) If you are referring to the recent 200,000 metres Thanksgiving Challenge then Carla's post above has the dates - 25 Nov 2004 to 24 Dec 2004. To get your total for that period you should be able to view the individual entries in your logbook that fall between those dates and add up the metres shown. That's bad news on the ankle injury Carla. Just in case you are unable to safely do the 30 min piece this week the Judges have conferred and decided that in your case the initial attempt will count if you so desire ! What a bunch of softies eh Hope you have a quick recovery - however now's my chance to catch up in the Team metres ladder ! Not that I would wish to take advantage of your incapacitation of course. Martin PS Nice 30 miniter Chippy and insight into the whereabouts of the elusive Bore (Boldy) Da - and there was me thinking he had gone to ground after bombing out on the 20 SPM 30 miniter trying to top me

[old] seat5 · Post by **[old] seat5** » February 10th, 2005, 12:54 am

Hi Byron, They are cute, though I'm sure the 11 year old doesn't like to be called that any more. Looks like Karina understands about getting her hands away early a bit better than Juliana does. Martin, I'm pretty sure I'll be able to try #2 again. I'm walking on it fine, just can't twist it about or run. It will probably be fine by Friday. BTW maybe Chippy didn't catch you on the meters, but he got closer to his mps goal than you did....doesn't that make you want to do it again? Looking forward to a real snoiwy day tomorrow--maybe everything will be cancelled!

[old] AussieTaff · Post by **[old] AussieTaff** » February 10th, 2005, 1:20 am

No way Carls, once was bad enough !! You may find the following story re my attempt amusing though and some consolation for you having to do it twice to my once :- I'm down at the local gym doing the piece on one of the 2 ergs there and getting towards the end of it when through the fog of concentration/discomfort comes an indignant query "How much longer are you going to be ?". Quick glance at the monitor - "6 mins I wheezed". and got back to trying to hold 1:55s at 20 SPM. Upon finishing and recovering I tried to find her to apologise for brevity of response, explain why and see why she seemed peeved in the first place (especially as the other erg freed up a few mins later - someone else hopped on). No luck, she'd gone. Only realised later in the day that a combination of 30 mins, 20 SPM and a reasonably smooth stroke probably looked to her like I was loafing along doing b*all and hogging the machine to boot !!!! As Einstein pointed out - "It's all Relative" (to one's perspective). Have a speedy recovery, Martin Great video Byron - thanks for sharing it. Looks like Julianna knows how to 'work the camera' too - an actress in the making ?

[old] CAROLE MAC · Post by **[old] CAROLE MAC** » February 10th, 2005, 6:02 am

Carla .. you dafty ..trying to emulate me .. I know you are after my PPPB'S and going to row one legged .....

[old] dadams · Post by **[old] dadams** » February 10th, 2005, 9:16 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(Byron Drachman @ Feb 9 2005, 10:04 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Here are two more Taffians: granddaughters 11-year-old Karina and 7-year-old Julianna: <a href='http://www.math.msu.edu/~drachman/row/karina.AVI' target='_blank'>http://www.math.msu.edu/~drachman/row/karina.AVI</a> <a href='http://www.math.msu.edu/~drachman/row/julianna.AVI' target='_blank'>http://www.math.msu.edu/~drachman/row/j ... AVI</a> Cute kids, wouldn’t you say? Byron </td></tr></table> My media player wouldn't work, so I didn't get to see them. If they're Taffs, then they must be cute. Question is, do they row? And when can we add their meters to the total? Speedy

[old] Godfried · Post by **[old] Godfried** » February 10th, 2005, 2:38 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(seat5 @ Feb 10 2005, 06:54 AM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I'm pretty sure I'll be able to try #2 again. </td></tr></table> Well , if not : try #3 , <a href='http://concept2.van-diepen.nl/10_k_with_sprint.pdf' target='_blank'>see this plan</a>

[old] dadams · Post by **[old] dadams** » February 10th, 2005, 3:01 pm

Carla, Damn your torturous challenges!!! Tried thing bl**dy thing again, and still didn't make it. 21 min at 1:37 8 min at 1:40 1 min at 1:36 9207 total. So close!!! I'm done with this one.....next. Speedy

[old] seat5 · Post by **[old] seat5** » February 10th, 2005, 6:46 pm

Speedy...you are obsessed! at 99.55% of your goal, I think you get the "success" point. (15.35 mps, goal 15.42 what do you other Taffs think?

[old] Godfried · Post by **[old] Godfried** » February 10th, 2005, 6:57 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(seat5 @ Feb 11 2005, 12:46 AM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>what do you other Taffs think? </td></tr></table> We can't stop him - and look how easy #3 will be for him - <a href='http://concept2.van-diepen.nl/10_k_with_sprint_v2.pdf' target='_blank'>see the plan</a> - planned the sprints at 93,5% of 5k pace.

[old] AussieTaff · Post by **[old] AussieTaff** » February 10th, 2005, 7:37 pm

Absolutely Carla. Anyone who does that murderous Challenge 3 times deserves the point ! And to be so close on the 3rd attempt (looks like a new PB coming up Speedy at normal stroke rate ?). What are the pieces for Challenge #3, is it 500m at 5K PB pace then 100m sprint or 400m at 5K PB pace then 100m sprint for the 10K ? Good luck with your 2nd go Martin

[old] seat5 · Post by **[old] seat5** » February 10th, 2005, 10:49 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>What are the pieces for Challenge #3, is it 500m at 5K PB pace then 100m sprint or 400m at 5K PB pace then 100m sprint for the 10K ? </td></tr></table> I've always done this* by doing 100m sprints at 9500, 9000, 8500, etc., which comes out to the first non-sprint being 500m, and all the rest end up being 400m. You get 1900m of sprint, and 8100m of non sprint, which is sort of squirrelly. But it's easy on your brain. Just start sprinting on the 500's or 1000's. Speedy asked the same question last week and that's what I told him then. Godfried's plan has it set up the other way, I think, but I can't quite figure out exactly what all the numbers on this chart mean--if this isn't a link after I quote it, you'll have to go back to his post to look at this: <table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Well , if not : try #3 , see this plan </td></tr></table> *I've "done" this workout a number of times, but I'm guessing at the pace I was doing for the not sprint part, so I'm really not sure how hard this one will be. Actually when I've done it before I didn't have the rest time for the first 10 or so sprints--they started happening by accident and so I decided to put them in on purpose, if the pace was going to be mandated. No fair trying to make your time better if you can't do the 5K pace non-sprints, by rowing through the rests!

[old] AussieTaff · Post by **[old] AussieTaff** » February 11th, 2005, 12:43 am

Thanks Carla, So I do 500m at 5K PB pace Then 100m sprint at a pace about 7 secs faster than the 5K PB pace Then 30 secs rest (monitor says 9400m to go) Then 400m at 5K PB pace Then 100m sprint Then 30 sec rest (monitor says 8900m to go) Repeat the last 3 lines 17 more times, sprinting each time the monitor shows the last 3 digits of the distance as either 000 or 500 (monitor says 400m to go after final repeat) Finish with 400m at 5K PB pace Have I got it ? Don't want to be DQed on a technicality and have to suffer through it all over again !! Had a thought on a possible refinement of the points scoring system for the Challenges. How about something along the lines of 5 points for the best time/distance, 4 points for the 2nd placegetter and so on. That way the top 5 get points - may provide an extra incentive for others to join in and also makes it worth striving for a podium finish when 1st is already wrapped up by someone else ? Also could award 2 points for achieving one's "goal" and 1 point for getting really close but just missing out (say within 98% of the goal). Most of the goals are pretty stiff so having the possibility of 1 point for getting close may provide extra incentive ? What do you think ? Martin

[old] seat5 · Post by **[old] seat5** » February 11th, 2005, 1:12 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Have I got it ? </td></tr></table> You've got it. It's a bit odd, but there it is. I'd like it if more of us did it and if you guys think it would be more fun if more points could be won than we could change that, and add runner ups and all. I don't want to water down the special point for succeeding because I think that's the best point you can earn in this silly thing, in fact at the end, I think whoever earns the most "success" points ought to get a really special thing. 99.55% is 100% as far as I'm concerned--gee whiz, it actually rounds up to 100. But anything below 99.4% isn't. Anyone wants that special point, they'll have to work their you know what's off for it! I made a second attempt at #2 tonight. It was reallyawful. I did about 6K of whatever for a warm up and then tried it. First of all, I couldn't even do my 30 min PB pace. I felt like my legs were made of mashed potatoes. I was about a second/500 slow. And I kept pooping out and stopping and starting and scolding myself but really it was hopeless. Anyway I ended up with only 6470m, about 1000m low, which is around 10.78 mps, around 88% of goal. If I went with the average spm (which was 19 because of all the stupid stopping) it comes out to 11.35, but that's not right, because part of the time I wasn't even moving. Most of the time, if I wasn't stopped, I was at 2:04 and 20 or 21. I will try again tomorrow or Saturday.

[old] rickster · Post by **[old] rickster** » February 11th, 2005, 4:28 am

Hello Team hope all is FIT. What a day last Saturday for Welsh Rugby, still waiting for my nails to grow back If anyone struggles with a sore rear end on the rower, then I have found a new solution. I got a 3 inch thick piece of foam from Ray in the wheelchair and put it on the seat, this was fantastic my arse wasn't hurting no wear near as much as normal. Hey Chippy I had a match yesterday and I lost to Gavin Jones 3-2 in a monster match, not bad considering he is 46 in the World!!!!! C U in the Gym!!! Keep it going everyone. Hello Speedy God!!! RICKSTER

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