Dwayne K. Adams, 5:46,2 Verified

[old] chrisa770 · Post by **[old] chrisa770** » January 23rd, 2006, 6:56 pm

I beleive Chad ceded his position a little too soon. I am still skeptical. Credibility has been lost here. To post such an astounding time outside of an open venue seems incredulous, especially when Dwayne seems reluctant to enter a sanctioned race. I still hold my postion that any times other than sanctioned race times are poppycock.<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Jan 23 2006, 05:59 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>C2 Indoor Race Calendar: <a href='http://www.concept2.com/05/training/com ... lendar.asp' target='_blank'>http://www.concept2.com/05/training/com ... asp</a> January 28 Ergomania Seattle Center, Center House, 305 Harrison Street, Seattle, WA 3320 Fuhrman Ave. East, Seattle, WA 98102 Alan MacKenzie 206/772-3153 e-mail: prc@seanet.com web site: www.pocockrowing.org February 12 Peninsula Indoor Rowing Championships Burlingame High School, Burlingame, CA Monica Hilcu, 16 Cortez Road, Redwood City, CA 94062 650/506-3804 (work) 650/369-7788 (home) e-mail: mhilcu@earthlink.net web site: <a href='http://www.peninsulajuniorcrew.org/PIRCmain.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.peninsulajuniorcrew.org/PIRCmain.htm</a> February 12 Tough Love Indoor Rowing Championships University of Portland, Portland, Oregon Tiff Wood, PO Box 230411, Tigard, OR 97281-0411 email: tiff.wood@newworldrowing.com website: www.newworldrowing.com February 18 The Chicago Indoor Rowing Championships Location to be announced, Chicago, Illinois John Butsch, Creative Access, Ste 206, 3701 North Ravenswood, Chicago, IL 60613 312/440-1140 ext 203 773/477-6862 (home) e-mail: jbutsch@creativeaccess.com February 25 C.R.A.S.H.-B.® SPRINTS World Indoor Rowing Championships New Location! Agganis Arena, Boston University C.R.A.S.H.-B., P.O. Box 381972, Cambridge, MA 02238 e-mail: office@crash-b.org web site: <a href='http://www.crash-b.org/' target='_blank'>http://www.crash-b.org/</a> March 5 The Ontario Indoor Rowing Championships Ridley College, St. Catharines, Ontario, CANADA Jack Nicholson, 5 Swan Drive, St. Catharines, Ontario CANADA L2T 2C2 905/688-5292 e-mail: nstorrs@yahoo.com </td></tr></table>

[old] cbrock · Post by **[old] cbrock** » January 23rd, 2006, 7:01 pm

Well done Dwayne. I certainly thought privately that your times were too good to be true. I think you owe it to yourself now to go for the Holy Grail of a World Championship Medal in your age group. Best of Luck if you do decide to race at Boston. That would be a Race worth travelling the 20,000k's from Downunder to watch. Regards, Chris

[old] mpukita · Post by **[old] mpukita** » January 23rd, 2006, 7:18 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(chrisa770 @ Jan 23 2006, 06:56 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> I beleive Chad ceded his position a little too soon. I am still skeptical. Credibility has been lost here. To post such an astounding time outside of an open venue seems incredulous, especially when Dwayne seems reluctant to enter a sanctioned race. I still hold my postion that any times other than sanctioned race times are poppycock.<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Jan 23 2006, 05:59 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>C2 Indoor Race Calendar: <a href='http://www.concept2.com/05/training/com ... lendar.asp' target='_blank'>http://www.concept2.com/05/training/com ... asp</a> January 28 Ergomania Seattle Center, Center House, 305 Harrison Street, Seattle, WA 3320 Fuhrman Ave. East, Seattle, WA 98102 Alan MacKenzie 206/772-3153 e-mail: prc@seanet.com web site: www.pocockrowing.org February 12 Peninsula Indoor Rowing Championships Burlingame High School, Burlingame, CA Monica Hilcu, 16 Cortez Road, Redwood City, CA 94062 650/506-3804 (work) 650/369-7788 (home) e-mail: mhilcu@earthlink.net web site: <a href='http://www.peninsulajuniorcrew.org/PIRCmain.htm' target='_blank'>http://www.peninsulajuniorcrew.org/PIRCmain.htm</a> February 12 Tough Love Indoor Rowing Championships University of Portland, Portland, Oregon Tiff Wood, PO Box 230411, Tigard, OR 97281-0411 email: tiff.wood@newworldrowing.com website: www.newworldrowing.com February 18 The Chicago Indoor Rowing Championships Location to be announced, Chicago, Illinois John Butsch, Creative Access, Ste 206, 3701 North Ravenswood, Chicago, IL 60613 312/440-1140 ext 203 773/477-6862 (home) e-mail: jbutsch@creativeaccess.com February 25 C.R.A.S.H.-B.® SPRINTS World Indoor Rowing Championships New Location! Agganis Arena, Boston University C.R.A.S.H.-B., P.O. Box 381972, Cambridge, MA 02238 e-mail: office@crash-b.org web site: <a href='http://www.crash-b.org/' target='_blank'>http://www.crash-b.org/</a> March 5 The Ontario Indoor Rowing Championships Ridley College, St. Catharines, Ontario, CANADA Jack Nicholson, 5 Swan Drive, St. Catharines, Ontario CANADA L2T 2C2 905/688-5292 e-mail: nstorrs@yahoo.com </td></tr></table> </td></tr></table> This was a joke, right? Just want to make sure. No possibility you could have meant this after all the crap Dwayne took which pushed him to do something he would have preferred not to do, and he did just as promised. Not possible that you could have congratulated him and then taken your bitching about validation to a more appropriate venue, ehh?

[old] Ericr · Post by **[old] Ericr** » January 23rd, 2006, 7:30 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(chrisa770 @ Jan 23 2006, 05:56 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> I beleive Chad ceded his position a little too soon. I am still skeptical. Credibility has been lost here. To post such an astounding time outside of an open venue seems incredulous, especially when Dwayne seems reluctant to enter a sanctioned race. I still hold my postion that any times other than sanctioned race times are poppycock. </td></tr></table> Come on, how can a PM3-code be forged when it's encrypted and only very few can row a sub 5:50 for 2K?

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » January 23rd, 2006, 7:56 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(mpukita @ Jan 23 2006, 03:18 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>This was a joke, right? Just want to make sure. No possibility you could have meant this after all the crap Dwayne took which pushed him to do something he would have preferred not to do, and he did just as promised. Not possible that you could have congratulated him and then taken your bitching about validation to a more apppropriate venue, ehh? </td></tr></table> Mark, That is very humorous. Thanks for posting it.

[old] Xeno · Post by **[old] Xeno** » January 23rd, 2006, 9:23 pm

Great row Dwayne, Since my first visit in AZ you have been rowing a lot more miles. Do you feel that it has helped you become fitter? You already had great ergo performances with less miles rowed two or three years ago. XENO

[old] dadams · Post by **[old] dadams** » January 23rd, 2006, 9:26 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(Xeno @ Jan 23 2006, 08:23 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Great row Dwayne, Since my first visit in AZ you have been rowing a lot more miles. Do you feel that it has helped you become fitter? You already had great ergo performances with less miles rowed two or three years ago. XENO </td></tr></table> Thanks Xeno. I do feel more fit. The tons of extra meters are mostly steady state work. It's really helped my aerobic base.

[old] chickenlegs · Post by **[old] chickenlegs** » January 23rd, 2006, 9:41 pm

This is a question for C2Bill. Please answer on this thread if you have the time. Is it possible for you to verify that the 2000 m piece was rowed by only one person? A couple of years ago at a concept 2 qualifying event several national team members split in 2 teams of 4 rowers each and raced each other on 2 ergs over 2000 m. each rower rowed 500 m, then quickly dismounted to leave room for the next team member to pull the successive 500 m piece. they had obviously practiced the transitions because they were very efficient about it. The rower getting on the machine was able to start pulling hard right away since his team mates were holding down the machine and doing up his footstraps. The race was extremely exciting to watch. the crowd (and a crowd it was) was amazed not just at the splits these athletes could hold for 500 m, but also at the fact that they were able to keep the wheel going without hardly loosing a split. The 2 final times were very close to each other, and both were quite a bit (or a lot..) faster than any of those rowers, all very fast in their own right, was capable of pulling by themselves (i don't remember the time, but i think it was faster than mathias sijekowski). As i said I have witnessed all this, and if C2Bill needs details i can provide date, venue and even the names of some of the national team members involved, or he can just get in touch with the event organizer - C2 has his e-mail already. the question again is: can you tell by the data you use to validate a row such as the one in question here (d.adams) if what i described above could have happened? p.s. - to pull a stunt like this you don't need national rowers. a small group of very large and strong weight lifters could probably pull of a very fast time with a bit of practice on the change overs.

[old] mpukita · Post by **[old] mpukita** » January 23rd, 2006, 9:47 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(chickenlegs @ Jan 23 2006, 09:41 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>This is a question for C2Bill. Please answer on this thread if you have the time. Is it possible for you to verify that the 2000 m piece was rowed by only one person? A couple of years ago at a concept 2 qualifying event several national team members split in 2 teams of 4 rowers each and raced each other on 2 ergs over 2000 m. each rower rowed 500 m, then quickly dismounted to leave room for the next team member to pull the successive 500 m piece. they had obviously practiced the transitions because they were very efficient about it. The rower getting on the machine was able to start pulling hard right away since his team mates were holding down the machine and doing up his footstraps. The race was extremely exciting to watch. the crowd (and a crowd it was) was amazed not just at the splits these athletes could hold for 500 m, but also at the fact that they were able to keep the wheel going without hardly loosing a split. The 2 final times were very close to each other, and both were quite a bit (or a lot..) faster than any of those rowers, all very fast in their own right, was capable of pulling by themselves (i don't remember the time, but i think it was faster than mathias sijekowski). As i said I have witnessed all this, and if C2Bill needs details i can provide date, venue and even the names of some of the national team members involved, or he can just get in touch with the event organizer - C2 has his e-mail already. the question again is: can you tell by the data you use to validate a row such as the one in question here (d.adams) if what i described above could have happened? p.s. - to pull a stunt like this you don't need national rowers. a small group of very large and strong weight lifters could probably pull of a very fast time with a bit of practice on the change overs. </td></tr></table> You've GOT to be kidding me ... you REALLY want to ask this question, ehh? Unbelieveable ... mama mia ...

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » January 23rd, 2006, 10:15 pm

Chickenlegs, It would be cool to learn more about that event, and what time they did. Four heavies all going around 1:15 for 500 meters would close to 5 minutes for a 2k! This is a great point to bring up about validation of times.

[old] rspenger · Post by **[old] rspenger** » January 24th, 2006, 1:58 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(chickenlegs @ Jan 23 2006, 06:41 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>A couple of years ago at a concept 2 qualifying event several national team members split in 2 teams of 4 rowers each and raced each other on 2 ergs over 2000 m. each rower rowed 500 m, then quickly dismounted to leave room for the next team member to pull the successive 500 m piece. they had obviously practiced the transitions because they were very efficient about it. The rower getting on the machine was able to start pulling hard right away since his team mates were holding down the machine and doing up his footstraps. The race was extremely exciting to watch. the crowd (and a crowd it was) was amazed not just at the splits these athletes could hold for 500 m, but also at the fact that they were able to keep the wheel going without hardly loosing a split. p.s. - to pull a stunt like this you don't need national rowers. a small group of very large and strong weight lifters could probably pull of a very fast time with a bit of practice on the change overs. </td></tr></table> This is a standard competitive event in Europe. At the Roklub in Denmark, where members of the USIRT were allowed to practice, we observed such a team training for their next competition. A team involves at least four - one getting on, one getting off, one handling the foot straps, and one calling the commands to keep it all coordinated. the team work required is impressive. the caller is the one responsible for counting the number of strokes and telling the one on when to get off. Bob S.

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » January 24th, 2006, 2:17 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Maybe I need a couple of years to perfect my stroke (sorry Rich (Ranger) couldn't help myself </td></tr></table> Hmm. Well, I don't know what brings this on, but you might consider that different folks have different burdens if they want to get better. For a lightweight, especially an old lightweight, especially an old lightweight who has _already_ gone under a WR by 4 seconds, the way the get better, I think, is to get more stroking power. So here is the issue. To row 6:16, I need to be able to row a relaxed, normal, and fully aerobic 1:48 @ 22 spm for a marathon. To row 6:20, this should be 1:50 @ 22 spm. Without a stroke with this power, I don't think I have any chance of improving. These kinds of rates and times would give me a an easy, relaxed, stroke of 12.0-12.5 SPI. This is no easy project. As far as I can tell, the best 55-year-old lwt marathon is about 1:57 pace, and I suspect more like 26 spm than 22. That's 9 seconds per 500 slower and almost 4 SPI lighter (8.5 SPI rather than 12.5). So I continue to work on it. ranger

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » January 24th, 2006, 2:19 am

BTW, fantastic 2K. Many, many congrats. ranger

[old] Sir Pirate · Post by **[old] Sir Pirate** » January 24th, 2006, 2:43 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(ranger @ Jan 24 2006, 06:17 AM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Maybe I need a couple of years to perfect my stroke (sorry Rich (Ranger) couldn't help myself </td></tr></table> Hmm. Well, I don't know what brings this on, but you might consider that different folks have different burdens if they want to get better. For a lightweight, especially an old lightweight, especially an old lightweight who has _already_ gone under a WR by 4 seconds, the way the get better, I think, is to get more stroking power. So here is the issue. To row 6:16, I need to be able to row a relaxed, normal, and fully aerobic 1:48 @ 22 spm for a marathon. To row 6:20, this should be 1:50 @ 22 spm. Without a stroke with this power, I don't think I have any chance of improving. These kinds of rates and times would give me a an easy, relaxed, stroke of 12.0-12.5 SPI. This is no easy project. As far as I can tell, the best 55-year-old lwt marathon is about 1:57 pace, and I suspect more like 26 spm than 22. That's 9 seconds per 500 slower and almost 4 SPI lighter (8.5 SPI rather than 12.5). So I continue to work on it. ranger </td></tr></table> Another Ranger thread Dont you just love Ranger? Sir P

[old] Sir Pirate · Post by **[old] Sir Pirate** » January 24th, 2006, 2:49 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(chickenlegs @ Jan 24 2006, 01:41 AM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> to pull a stunt like this you don't need national rowers. a small group of very large and strong weight lifters could probably pull of a very fast time with a bit of practice on the change overs. </td></tr></table> As far as my view goes, I beleive that Dwayne pulled that time so I am not going down that road. Just a bit of info for chickenlegs- When the MAD Team did the 100K World Relay Record, we went through 2000m in less than 5 minutes, when changing over the split would not drop below 1:27. You need lots and lots of practise though. Instead of Dwaynes 5:46.2, cant we talk about The MAD Team Sir Pirate

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