Dwyane Adams - Fake Or Real?

[[old] Graham Benton]

He said 'I find this from' ... I didn't take that as to mean that Robert had given him the information, more that he had found information originating from Robert. If he had been suggesting that Robert had told him directly, he would have said 'I find this out from'. However, I can see that this is open to interpretation so perhaps Chad is guilty of being (maybe deliberately) ambiguous.<br /><br />Has anyone had any contact with Dwayne this weekend? It seems strange that he would post the time on the rankings board, and check PM's but not write anything on the message board with regards to his 2k PB, especially in the circumstances.

[[old] Dickie]

<!--QuoteBegin-Graham Benton+Jan 23 2006, 10:20 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Graham Benton @ Jan 23 2006, 10:20 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->He said 'I find this from' ... I didn't take that as to mean that Robert had given him the information, more that he had found information originating from Robert. If he had been suggesting that Robert had told him directly, he would have said 'I find this out from'. However, I can see that this is open to interpretation so perhaps Chad is guilty of being (maybe deliberately) ambiguous.<br /><br />Has anyone had any contact with Dwayne this weekend? It seems strange that he would post the time on the rankings board, and check PM's but not write anything on the message board with regards to his 2k PB, especially in the circumstances. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Graham<br /><br />I just perused the online rankings and could not find any ranked times with your name, either you have gotton very slow and I just did not look far enough down the list or maybe you have been put off from ranking by all this nonsense. If the latter is true then it is indeed a sad day for indoor rowing and I hope you change your mind.<br /><br />Sincerely<br /><br />Fred Dickie

[[old] Graham Benton]

Dickie - I did notice that my 2k from BIRC was not listed for some reason but that will find its way on there at some stage.<br /><br />Other than that, I tend not to row any of the specified distances - certainly not flat out anyway. I only do 500's and 1k's as part of interval sessions, and never do 10k's or 60 mins's. Most of my longer stuff is rate capped anyway so doesn't look all that good on paper without the SPM listed. <br /><br />I have done a 5k PB, 1k PB and 30min PB within this season and they are in my logbook but I have not ranked them as I've not emailed denah to get a code, or bill with witness info. The 1k and 5k were not witnessed anyway as they were done on my home machine before I downloaded the latest code with the verification feature. The 30min was at rate 20 and was witnessed by Eddie Fletcher and John Keogh (water coach) but again, I have not ranked it. I train to race so my mile and 2k PB's are really important to me, the others are training pieces.

[[old] Alan Maddocks]

Graham wrote: <br /><br />"I train to race so my mile and 2k PB's are really important to me, the others are training pieces."<br /><br />Precisely!<br /><br />The simple answer to any argument over ranking 2K pieces is simple enough: <br />ONLY race times accepted.<br /><br />In athletics, athletes' training performances are not ranked only race times.<br /><br />If Indoor Rowing is to be taken seriously as a sport on a par with others such as athletics, rowing, swimming etc. then there is no place whatsoever for non-race times (over 2K) to be ranked.<br /><br />Alan.<br />

[[old] FrancoisA]

<!--QuoteBegin-Graham Benton+Jan 23 2006, 03:00 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Graham Benton @ Jan 23 2006, 03:00 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I have done a 5k PB, 1k PB and 30min PB within this season and they are in my logbook but I have not ranked them as I've not emailed denah to get a code, or bill with witness info. The 1k and 5k were not witnessed anyway as they were done on my home machine before I downloaded the latest code with the verification feature. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Graham, you can get a validation code from the PM3 even for pieces you did on your machine at home prior to downloading the version 90 of the firmware, provided they are still on your log card.<br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />Francois

[[old] Graham Benton]

I don't use a logcard as I filled it and then it didn't seem to want to delete anything. I will see if they are still in the memory though.

[[old] becz]

Mark, I'll direct your attention here, then I'm done, because as you've said there is no reason any of us here have to agree on anything.<br /><!--QuoteBegin-mpukita+Jan 20 2006, 12:16 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(mpukita @ Jan 20 2006, 12:16 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Then, people who normally act responsibly here started rationalizing Chad's boorish behaviour as being "OK" because there are others that also "feel" Dwayne's times are bogus.  They're just as bad as Chad is, if not worse.  <br /> </td></tr></table><br />For someone who has crafted his replies "very, very, very" carefully, you cast an awfully wide net, and caught some very big fish. If you are not willing to state here that this applies to all of them, it is telling. If there is anything I can say about Chad, it is that he has been absoutely consistent.<br />

[[old] kinley]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Graham wrote: <br /><br />"I train to race so my mile and 2k PB's are really important to me, the others are training pieces."<br /><br />Precisely!<br /><br />The simple answer to any argument over ranking 2K pieces is simple enough: <br />ONLY race times accepted.<br /><br />In athletics, athletes' training performances are not ranked only race times.<br /><br />If Indoor Rowing is to be taken seriously as a sport on a par with others such as athletics, rowing, swimming etc. then there is no place whatsoever for non-race times (over 2K) to be ranked.<br /><br />Alan.<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />Enough with the 2k monomania!<br /><br />I've said before, and I'll say again --- this thread is nothing if not repetitious --- not everyone prioritizes 2000m. Athletics/track and swimming offer the athlete a choice of distances at which to compete. Indoor rowing does not. <br /><br />Would it not be more constructive to work toward uniformity of verification at ALL distances? Ideally, this verification would include races of varying length. But under no circumstances should C2 retrench from the current spectrum of ranking distances.<br /><br />NB I don't foresee that an activity dependent on computer programming for results will ever be taken "seriously as a sport ...."<br /><br />

[[old] Ducatista]

<!--QuoteBegin-Chad Williams+--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Chad Williams)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Thank you for your input Mike, If I was more educated, that is how I would have put it in the first place, even so, we both make the same point. </td></tr></table><br />Education has nothing to do with it. Your "fake or real" approach to this topic doesn't suggest rube, so much as cad.

[[old] Alan Maddocks]

Kinley,<br /><br />I wholeheartedly agree that there should be races offered across a wider spectrum of distance. The "monomania" of 2K is because this is the ONLY distance accepted for national / international championships. Blame Concept 2 - not me or other forum users.<br /><br />The issue is the verification (& moreover, legitimacy) of published rankings, especially at the 2K distance.<br /><br />As there are sufficient 2K races (fact not fiction) to accomodate anyone who really wants to have their performances publicly recognised, then for the 2K distance only, only race performanvces should be ranked.<br /><br />For all other distances, let's stick with the existing ranking procedure.<br /><br />Alan.

[[old] j.d]

So more importantly than all the arguing anyone actually know dwayne, give him a call, afterall there are 33 of us just waiting to find out what happened <br /><br />jd

[[old] Wiecher]

Hello, I am Wiecher, 40 years, my personal best is 6:24.2 rowed at the OBIC in Belgium a few years ago, this saison I did row 6:32.5 in a race at the obic, www.obic.be. />I think everyone high in the ranking should be able to proof his results. The card is just one way.....<br />I can not understand why someone who is that fast would not race somewhere. When you do not like the spotlights and the adrealine of real racing, I think you do not want to be in a ranking at all.....but I can be very wrong....<br />About Dwayne, I think I want to send him 10 dollars and maybe more people can do that to see him racing in Boston. When he rows there and he rows lets say under 5:52 then I can only say what a IMPRESSIVE RACE, GREAT STUFF. But when he not show up there or at another race please remove his results.....<br /><br />Another thing: Why can only Americans have RACE behind there names? I know of a lot of other races in Holland and Germany where no one gets that RACE, so that does not make sense. Either no one RACE or all who race some where get's RACE behind there names.

[[old] chrisa770]

I believe Chads' skepticism is warranted. Inconsistencies in posted times by Dwayne in nonathlon and rankings should raise some eyebrows, along with the total meters issue brought up by John Rupp . These errors point to a flawed system, not improprieties. Rankings, (except race proven), total meters rowed, etc. should be taken with a grain of salt. After all, 99.9% of us are not erging to set world records, but to maintain some semblance of fitness. Goals for rankings should be set towards race proven times, and as far as I'm concerned all others are bogus. <!--QuoteBegin-kinley+Jan 23 2006, 11:49 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(kinley @ Jan 23 2006, 11:49 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Graham wrote: <br /><br />"I train to race so my mile and 2k PB's are really important to me, the others are training pieces."<br /><br />Precisely!<br /><br />The simple answer to any argument over ranking 2K pieces is simple enough: <br />ONLY race times accepted.<br /><br />In athletics, athletes' training performances are not ranked only race times.<br /><br />If Indoor Rowing is to be taken seriously as a sport on a par with others such as athletics, rowing, swimming etc. then there is no place whatsoever for non-race times (over 2K) to be ranked.<br /><br />Alan.<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />Enough with the 2k monomania!<br /><br />I've said before, and I'll say again --- this thread is nothing if not repetitious --- not everyone prioritizes 2000m. Athletics/track and swimming offer the athlete a choice of distances at which to compete. Indoor rowing does not. <br /><br />Would it not be more constructive to work toward uniformity of verification at ALL distances? Ideally, this verification would include races of varying length. But under no circumstances should C2 retrench from the current spectrum of ranking distances.<br /><br />NB I don't foresee that an activity dependent on computer programming for results will ever be taken "seriously as a sport ...." <br /> </td></tr></table><br />

[[old] Mark Keating]

<!--QuoteBegin-Alan Maddocks+Jan 23 2006, 11:07 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Alan Maddocks @ Jan 23 2006, 11:07 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->As there are sufficient 2K races (fact not fiction) to accomodate anyone who really wants to have their performances publicly recognised, then for the 2K distance only, only race performanvces should be ranked.[right] <br /> </td></tr></table><br />I don't doubt that there are <i>enough</i> races to accommodate those who want to have their efforts recognised, but there are some folks who would have to travel, at considerable and often prohibitive expense, to those public venues where races are held. <br /><br />I'm not convinced that those people should be excluded from on-line rankings just because of where they live.<br /><br />Regards,<br />Mark

[[old] mpukita]

<!--QuoteBegin-becz+Jan 23 2006, 11:37 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(becz @ Jan 23 2006, 11:37 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Mark, I'll direct your attention here, then I'm done, because as you've said there is no reason any of us here have to agree on anything.<br /><!--QuoteBegin-mpukita+Jan 20 2006, 12:16 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(mpukita @ Jan 20 2006, 12:16 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Then, people who normally act responsibly here started rationalizing Chad's boorish behaviour as being "OK" because there are others that also "feel" Dwayne's times are bogus.  They're just as bad as Chad is, if not worse.  <br /> </td></tr></table><br />For someone who has crafted his replies "very, very, very" carefully, you cast an awfully wide net, and caught some very big fish. If you are not willing to state here that this applies to all of them, it is telling. If there is anything I can say about Chad, it is that he has been absoutely consistent. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Sandor:<br /><br />I did cast a net ... and it included everyone who qualifies as I've stated above ... it's for you to decide if it was wide or narrow. I simply that I feel people who accuse people of doing something untoward, <b>with no factual evidence</b>, are small-minded.<br /><br />Chad accused, he didn't just question, or doubt.<br /><br />Please read what I just wrote very carefully. I've said exactly how I feel, and it's consistent with what I've been saying all along.<br /><br />-- Mark