Pb's Within Pb's

[[old] Sir Pirate]

<b>Example-</b> <br />If you row a 30 min piece at 1:48/500m pace and you get a new pb distance of 8333m, during this 30 minute piece you go through 5000m in 17:55.0 (1:47.5), this being 2 seconds faster than your current standing 5000m PB, would you count this as a new 5000m PB as well as a 30 min PB? <br /><br />I say the answer is <b>NO</b>, each piece should be rowed as an individual piece, if you can do it during a longer row than you have no worries about doing it as a single piece. <br />Doing a 10K and claiming a 5K, 6K 30min and also the 10K is misleading and not a true reflection of what can be done for each individual piece. <br /><br />I am sure others will disagree. But <b>I NEVER WOULD</b> or <b>NEVER HAVE </b>counted distance/times within each other as PB’s. <b>IT'S WRONG!</b><br /><br />Sir Pirate<br />

[[old] Niall]

It's not wrong, it's not big and it's not clever! <br /><br />I voted "Yes" as I feel PBs are personal so recording a PB within a PB is my choice and a guide for me to judge how I'm doing. As long as I'm consistent in how I record my PBs then who am I harming?<br /><br />We all know that official times (i.e. records) will onlybe recognised during official meetings (or witnessed by officials) which are recorded over the full distance completed (and not a subset). That's fair enough and I fully accept that.<br /><br />But for <b>my</b> PBs, I think it's a perfectly acceptable practice.<br /><br />Thanks for creating this Poll Sir Pirate, I look forward to seeing the results unfold and await you walking the plank at the end

[[old] jfisher]

<!--QuoteBegin-Niall+Oct 1 2005, 04:42 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Niall @ Oct 1 2005, 04:42 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It's not wrong, it's not big and it's not clever!  <br /><br />I voted "Yes" as I feel PBs are personal so recording a PB within a PB is my choice and a guide for me to judge how I'm doing. As long as I'm consistent in how I record my PBs then who am I harming?<br /><br />We all know that official times (i.e. records) will onlybe recognised during official meetings (or witnessed by officials) which are recorded over the full distance completed (and not a subset). That's fair enough and I fully accept that.<br /><br />But for <b>my</b> PBs, I think it's a perfectly acceptable practice.<br /><br />Thanks for creating this Poll Sir Pirate, I look forward to seeing the results unfold and await you walking the plank at the end  <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I voted no, simply because that wasn't what I was trying to row and there is no way to verify what I did. I would file it away in the back of my mind that I did that row and then maybe go for that pb.<br /><br />Jeff

[[old] Prufrock]

<br />If in rowing a 10k I rowed my fastest ever 5k then it has to be my personal best for a 5k because it's my fastest ever 5k. How else would you describe a personal best?<br /><br />I'm afraid I voted yes on this. A pb is a pb is a pb.

[[old] Steelhead]

<!--QuoteBegin-Prufrock+Oct 1 2005, 02:05 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Prufrock @ Oct 1 2005, 02:05 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--> <br /> </td></tr></table><br />I vote no on calling it a PB. If we want to call it a PB within a longer distance, then fine, but in my opinion a PB is determined by the distance we intend to row. For example, if you set out to do a 10K row and notice that between 2K and 7K you have exceeded your past 5K PB, then this should mean that tomorrow when you decide to row 5K you will be able to post a PB. So a PB of a shorter row within a longer row is nothing more that a marker to us that we can actually do better on a shorter row. I don't think we should record such. But if it makes a person happy and that's what he or she needs to be happy, then go for it. Just make certain you can do it again when you actually set the distance.<br /><br />It's definitely worth knowing though.<br /><br />Mike<br />

[[old] monkey]

I vote no because you cannot get an exact time for the distance within a distance, working it out from the splits is too inacurate, especially for long distance pbs.

[[old] ehagberg]

It's wrong unless you count the Pbs from a standing start.<br /><br />So, if you did a 10k and the first 5k and first 6k were both Pbs, then those would qualify as Pbs.<br /><br />But not if they are the last part of the 10k or the middle of it.

[[old] FrankJ]

<!--QuoteBegin-ehagberg+Oct 1 2005, 09:51 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ehagberg @ Oct 1 2005, 09:51 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->It's wrong unless you count the Pbs from a standing start.<br /><br />So, if you did a 10k and the first 5k and first 6k were both Pbs, then those would qualify as Pbs.<br /><br />But not if they are the last part of the 10k or the middle of it. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Eric<br /><br />You said exactly what I wanted to say. Only if it is measured from a standing start. Just to put it in a different perspective. If you were in a handicap 5K but didn't want to include your real 5K PB because it was part of a 10K I'd say you were sandbagging a bit. <br /><br />A more realistic scenario is a PB 5K during a 6K. For a while my 6K was at a faster pace than my 5K so I probably did a 5K PB during that 6K race. I didn't notice it as I went by the 5K and did not try to go back in the stroke file and figure it out. <br /><br />Frank

[[old] george nz]

I agree that from a standing start the first 5k of a 6k for example could be rowed as a fastest 5k to date but to do this you would have to extrapolate the average splits of the monitor wouldn't you? And to get a time PB eg a 30min in a 10k row is just to much guess work.<br /><br />I assume some of the other software out there is more accurate in doing this - so it is not without reason to claim it. But why would you want to?<br /><br />If the first 5k of a 6k is faster than you have covered the distance before then that is all it is, because obviously if you continued for another 1000m it was not as fast as you COULD have gone for 5k - so not really a PB<br /><br />George

[[old] PaulS]

Good question, perhaps it's nearing the time to post "PB, or not PB, that is the question."<br /><br />Of course it must be the first part of the total distance so the standing start criteria is met, and accurately accounted for (recalled from the PM memory).<br /><br />It meets a loose definition of "PB", by being faster than previous times for that distance, so should be recorded as such, however with the knowlege that it should be considered a soft target for your next true PB attempt at the distance alone. <br /><br />Cheers!

[[old] bmoore]

I'd also say yes, but only for distances from the start. I had this the other day when my 6k pace PB was faster than my 5k pace. I knew I could go faster, but I didn't record a faster 5k until today's online handicap race. I set a PB today when I netted the handicap, and I'll use that as my PB for next weekend's time and in my signature's PB.<br /><br />I didn't however, enter this into the rankings. I reserve this for set distances that are exported directly from RowPro. Any situation where the longer distance is faster is a temporary one, and should be corrected once the shorter distance is properly completed.

[[old] hennmart]

<!--QuoteBegin-Sir Pirate+Oct 1 2005, 10:37 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Sir Pirate @ Oct 1 2005, 10:37 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Example-</b> <br />If you row a 30 min piece at 1:48/500m pace and you get a new pb distance of 8333m, during this 30 minute piece you go through 5000m in 17:55.0 (1:47.5), this being 2 seconds faster than your current standing 5000m PB, would you count this as a new 5000m PB as well as a 30 min PB? <br /><br />I say the answer is <b>NO</b>, each piece should be rowed as an individual piece, if you can do it during a longer row than you have no worries about doing it as a single piece. <br />Doing a 10K and claiming a 5K, 6K 30min and also the 10K is misleading and not a true reflection of what can be done for each individual piece. <br /><br />I am sure others will disagree. But <b>I NEVER WOULD</b> or <b>NEVER HAVE </b>counted distance/times within each other as PB’s. <b>IT'S WRONG!</b><br /><br />Sir Pirate <br /> </td></tr></table><br />I agree with Sir Pirate. I save every single piece as a RP-file and I make no manual entries anymore (with one exception: when I suffered an error and the original piece wasn’t saved). <br />But when I row a PB for a shorter distance in a longer piece on that moment I know I can and will try in the near future to break this PB (for the second time in a regular piece). It’s also the challenge to break a PB in the piece were you’re going for. Btw I never heard that someone granted a PB for a shorter piece in a longer piece in a world series or on the Olympics (but maybe I’m wrong) <br /><br />Hennie<br /><br />

[[old] FrankJ]

<!--QuoteBegin-hennmart+Oct 2 2005, 09:02 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(hennmart @ Oct 2 2005, 09:02 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I agree with Sir Pirate. I save every single piece as a RP-file and I make no manual entries anymore (with one exception: when I suffered an error and the original piece wasn’t saved). <br />But when I row a PB for a shorter distance in a longer piece on that moment I know I can and will try in the near future to break this PB (for the second time in a regular piece). It’s also the challenge to break a PB in the piece were you’re going for. Btw I never heard that someone granted a PB for a shorter piece in a longer piece in a world series or on the Olympics (but maybe I’m wrong)    <br /><br />Hennie <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Hennie,<br /><br />My view of what can be is different now that I'm 60. You cannot go on improving forever and I don't know that I will always be able to improve in the future. In fact I am in a slump right now and do not know when/if I will come out of it. These are not world records they are Personal Bests. So when I get one whether doing a longer distance or not I count it as I may never see it again.<br /><br />Frank<br /><br />

[[old] Annabassand]

Hi <br /><br />Interesting one. I just rowed 10k for the first time this morning, and in doing so it turned out that during the last 5000 I could have beaten my current 5k time. <br /><br />I haven't changed my PB for 5k because I'd agree that you have to row it as a single piece. <br /><br />Besides if I am really able to beat my 5k time during a 10k row there's a pretty good chance that if I focus to do a 5k some time soon I should be able to smash that time to bits! <br /><br />/Anna

[[old] ancho]

Granted that it's from a standing start, a PB for a 5k within a 6 or 10 k is a PB!<br />Anyway, you should be able to do it even better for a single piece in a new future!<br /><br />ROW HARDER!!