Model C?

[[old] TRIBUM]

I've upgraded the handle of my Model C and the Computer to the PM3. How much do you think I should price it on EBay? <br /><br />My goal is to eventually get a Model D. Even with the upgrades the Model C is quite there... I need a quieter erg.

[[old] John Rupp]

I'd say about the same as the others, $550 or so.<br /><br />But the bidding will determine the price.

[[old] TRIBUM]

<!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Mar 18 2005, 07:19 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Mar 18 2005, 07:19 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'd say about the same as the others, $550 or so.<br /><br />But the bidding will determine the price. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Thanks. Sounds about right?

[[old] akit110]

<!--QuoteBegin-TRIBUM+Mar 19 2005, 01:16 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(TRIBUM @ Mar 19 2005, 01:16 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Mar 18 2005, 07:19 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Mar 18 2005, 07:19 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'd say about the same as the others, $550 or so.<br /><br />But the bidding will determine the price. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Thanks. Sounds about right? <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I am not quite sure what you mean by "price it"? Do you mean your reserve price or your 'buy it now'. I think $550 is way too low for a Buy it Now price. It's probably okay for a reserve price. See below for my reasoning.<br /><br />I've done searches on completed listings on Model C rowers over a period of a month or two on Ebay. $550 would be the LOWER end final winning bid for a Model C with the standard handle, good condition and a PM2 and offering local delivery only. I've seen this configuration reach over $700 through bidding IF shipping is offered. Why? I think in some cases, there are foreign (i.e. non-US for the purpose of this forum) buyers for whom that price still represents a good value due to unavailability or high price in their own country. Or domestic buyers who might be too price-sensitive to pay the extra bucks for the Model D factory direct or are comparing the price to marked-up Model Ds at local retail fitness stores.<br /><br />Incidentally, I've never seen a Model C offered with an upgraded D handle LET ALONE with a PM3 monitor at any price. I guess this is because typically most of these machines are by people getting rid of their machines after years of disuse OR reconditioned gym models sold by third-party companies. Both groups are unlikely to upgrade the components. I imagine depending how you manage the auction in terms of reserve, shipping options, etc., I think you should get well over $700 as the final bidded up price.<br /><br />

[[old] grams]

I sold mine to seat5 for $550 + shipping. It had a D handle and I had upgraded the gearing etc with a D retrofit so that it was quieter. Still had the PM2 on it. I never erged faster than a 2:00 split, so it was a cream puff.<br /><br />I bought my Model D first, and used the box that it came in to ship the C. I only had to modify the packing a little bit. I shipped it UPS (picked up in my driveway) across the US for about $60. It weighed 70 pounds, which is the UPS max. <br /><br />I might have been able to get more for it, however it was nice to sell it to a deserving forumite. She is putting a lot of meters on it and going faster than I ever did.<br /><br />You can get a box from C2, but it will cost you to get it shipped empty to you. If you can afford to buy the D first I recommend doing it that way.<br /><br />grams

[[old] TRIBUM]

<!--QuoteBegin-grams+Mar 19 2005, 12:03 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(grams @ Mar 19 2005, 12:03 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I sold mine to seat5 for $550 + shipping. It had a D handle and I had upgraded the gearing etc with a D retrofit so that it was quieter. Still had the PM2 on it. I never erged faster than a 2:00 split, so it was a cream puff.<br /><br />I bought my Model D first, and used the box that it came in to ship the C. I only had to modify the packing a little bit.  I shipped it UPS (picked up in my driveway) across the US for about $60.  It weighed 70 pounds, which is the UPS max. <br /><br />I might have been able to get more for it, however it was nice to sell it to a deserving forumite. She is putting a lot of meters on it and going faster than I ever did.<br /><br />You can get a box from C2, but it will cost you to get it shipped empty to you.  If you can afford to buy the D first I recommend doing it that way.<br /><br />grams <br /> </td></tr></table><br />That's a great idea! I think I can swing a purchase of a Model D right now? If not, there's always the credit card! I tried to get my Dad to purchase it (at a very good price), and put his Model B at his vacation home, but he didn't bite. It would be nice to have something to do up there when it is snowing outside.<br /><br />I've been salivating over the Model D at a local gym, and since I use the rower every day at home (while watching TiVo'd "Law and Order") justification is easy.<br /><br />Thanks again Grams and everyone for the good ideas.

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-akit110+Mar 19 2005, 09:38 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(akit110 @ Mar 19 2005, 09:38 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I've seen this configuration reach over $700 through bidding IF shipping is offered.  Why?  I think in some cases, there are foreign (i.e. non-US for the purpose of this forum) buyers for whom that price still represents a good value due to unavailability or high price in their own country.<br /> </td></tr></table><br />The buyer usually pays for the shipping on Ebay, so that is additional to the price. Most of those selling ergs charge $85 for the shipping.<br /><br />I got a mint condition model C from Ebay last fall for $550. It had just over 1/2 million meters on it. A friend was nice to pick up and send the erg to me, which was $41 with Federal Express. They are much less than UPS. If you go this route be sure to have it shipped from an actual Federal Express location. The "front" stores for both FedX and UPS often charge over $100.<br /><br />That's a good idea to offer overseas delivery provided the buyer pays whatever that would cost.<br /><br />In my opinion a model C with pm3 would be worth less, to the point that I would not even bid on one. However some seem to want the pm3 so that would probably balance out. Or maybe you'll get lucky and get more.<br /><br />You could set a "buy it now" price of $700. However that might discourage bidding at lower prices. The same for setting a reserve. I would only set a reserve if you are concerned about not getting the minimum price that you want for it.<br /><br />Again, the final price is going to be set by what someone is willing to pay for the erg.

[[old] grams]

I shipped mine UPS because I had an account already, because that's how theD came so I knew it would fit the size & weight requirements and because for $2 or so they picked it up from my house. Also because I could do all the paperwork from my home computer and didn't have to figure out how to get it to a full-service UPS branch.<br /><br />Its an exercise to set up an account online, so check that part ou before you decide how to do it. Doing it online did save me money, and therefore my puchaser got a deal because she paid the shipping.

[[old] grams]

one more thing... Make sure you make a diagram or something of where the packing pieces that surround your D are BEFORE you unpack it. I was so excited I ripped right into the box and later had a problem figuring out where everything went when I packed up the C.<br /><br />grams

[[old] TRIBUM]

<!--QuoteBegin-grams+Mar 19 2005, 01:50 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(grams @ Mar 19 2005, 01:50 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I shipped mine UPS because I had an account already, because that's how theD came so I knew it would fit the size & weight requirements and because for $2 or so they picked it up from my house. Also because I could do all the paperwork from my home computer and didn't have to figure out how to get it to a full-service UPS branch.<br /><br />Its an exercise to set up an account online, so check that part ou before you decide how to do it.  Doing it online did save me money, and therefore my puchaser got a deal because she paid the shipping. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Noted. Thanks. Did you happen ship to a foreign country?<br /><br />I just shipped some speakers to Canada, and made the mistake of bringing it to the UPS store. It was at least 25% more to ship from the store, rather than just dropping off the shipment with labels printed from the online website. I should have done everything online. I will next time.

[[old] TRIBUM]

<!--QuoteBegin-grams+Mar 19 2005, 01:52 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(grams @ Mar 19 2005, 01:52 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->one more thing... Make sure you make a diagram or something of where the packing pieces that surround your D are BEFORE you unpack it. I was so excited I ripped right into the box and later had a problem figuring out where everything went when I packed up the C.<br /><br />grams <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Good idea. I will take digital pictures of the layout as I unpack my "new" Model D... "salivating, just thinking about a new erg... I need help, ha!"...

[[old] akit110]

John - how do you figure a Model C with a PM3 would be worth less than one with a PM2?? Or did you mean, it would be worth less to you, specifically? Just curious...<br /><br />

[[old] TRIBUM]

<!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Mar 19 2005, 12:59 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Mar 19 2005, 12:59 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->In my opinion a model C with pm3 would be worth less, to the point that I would not even bid on one.  However some seem to want the pm3 so that would probably balance out.  Or maybe you'll get lucky and get more. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'>John-<br /><b>I am curious as to why you would not bid on a Model C with the PM3? </b>It's the latest in technology. I will probably advertise it on EBay Thursday, 3/24/05 for 10 days.<br />Not sure what to set the reserve at yet, but I am getting ideas... </span><span style='font-size:14pt;line-height:100%'><span style='font-family:Impact'><b>BTW... my erg is in excellent shape!</b></span></span><br />-Tribum

[[old] John Rupp]

Akit110 and Tribum,<br /><br />I do repetitions twice a week or so.<br /><br />The pm2+ starts when I do, so I can keep to a regular interval and start time.<br /><br />The pm3 starts on it's own. So if I went over a little on the break the monitor would start even though I wasn't back on the erg, and would result in having to stop the monitor and reset it again for the remainder of the repetitions, which would then be out of synch with each other. The only alternative on the pm3 is to not set any rest interval and use a standard clock, but then have to reset the monitor after each repetition. <br /><br />That is a lot of messing around when the pm2 does this all quite efficiently.<br /><br />Also with the pm3 it is possible to start ahead of the end of the rest interval.<br /><br />Since the pm2 starts when I do, there is no starting ahead of time <b>because the time starts at the same time that I do.</b> For example when I'm doing 1:00 repetitions with 30 second rests, I set the interval for 22 seconds and start every 90 seconds by either the sweep second hand of a clock on the wall or my digital timer on the erg, and the same for longer repetitions.<br /><br />Also the pm2 has an even count down of the meters and the pm3 doesn't.<br /><br />Thus for me the pm2 has many IMPORTANT advantages that the pm3 does not have. Some might like the pm3 better but in my opinion it's just an albatross and is certainly not anywhere as good as the pm2+.

[[old] akit110]

<!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Mar 20 2005, 11:15 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Mar 20 2005, 11:15 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Akit110 and Tribum,<br /><br />I do repetitions twice a week or so.<br /><br />The pm2+ starts when I do, so I can keep to a regular interval and start time.<br /><br />The pm3 starts on it's own.  So if I went over a little on the break the monitor would start even though I wasn't back on the erg, and would result in having to stop the monitor and reset it again for the remainder of the repetitions, which would then be out of synch with each other.  The only alternative on the pm3 is to not set any rest interval and use a standard clock, but then have to reset the monitor after each repetition.  <br /><br />That is a lot of messing around when the pm2 does this all quite efficiently.<br /><br />Also with the pm3 it is possible to start ahead of the end of the rest interval.<br /><br />Since the pm2 starts when I do, there is no starting ahead of time <b>because the time starts at the same time that I do.</b>  For example when I'm doing 1:00 repetitions with 30 second rests, I set the interval for 22 seconds and start every 90 seconds by either the sweep second hand of a clock on the wall or my digital timer on the erg, and the same for longer repetitions.<br /><br />Also the pm2 has an even count down of the meters and the pm3 doesn't.<br /><br />Thus for me the pm2 has many IMPORTANT advantages that the pm3 does not have.  Some might like the pm3 better but in my opinion it's just an albatross and is certainly not anywhere as good as the pm2+. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />I understand your reasoning. I thought you had meant that the PM3 would have less value on the market. <br /><br />Personally, I tend to agree with you. The PM2, while it has less capabilities overall than the PM3, does what it does very well. In daily usage, I find it meets my needs very well.