Today's Lactate Levels

[old] Xeno · Post by **[old] Xeno** » October 29th, 2004, 4:28 pm

Hi Mel Interesting information. I have heard of these results before. I sent off your text to Marty Aitken and his former assistant coach David Martin. This mornings lactate over 4 minutes 30 seconds were: 1:45.3 at resistance 6; Stroke rate 22; 1282m; 299.6W; 99 cal; 1.4mmol 1:45.3 at resistance 8; Stroke rate 22; 1282m; 300W; 99 cal; 1.6 mmol 1:45.2 at resistance 4; Stroke rate 25-26, 1283m; 300.3W; 100 cal; 1.3 (I did not feel as comfortable since the stroke felt more rapid, so it was a surprise that I came in at 1.3) 1:45.3 at resistance 10; Stroke rate 24; 1282m; 299.4 W; 99 cal; 1.1 mol ( I felt very much in control and had time to apply the power without feeling "slippage" of the flywheel. I row the 2K at around 7 damper setting. It seemed as if I found a rythm and the intensity was good. In order to undestand 1.1, I then decided to row for ten minutes at resistance ten. For ten minutes: 1:45.3; resistance 10; 2849m; 299.7W; 221 cal; 1.7mmol (good piece) Stroke rates are an issue that is debated among coaches. Our motto was always more power per stroke in steady state. Stroke rate twenty four is considered high. Stroke rate 19-21 would be right for longer steady state pieces. xeno www.gorow.com Rob Waddell, Thomas Lange, and Marnie McBean are coming in two weeks for a camp NOV 12-13

[old] KMurphy · Post by **[old] KMurphy** » October 29th, 2004, 7:39 pm

Xeno, If you don't mind, What spm do you row your 2k at when you choose a damper of 7? If you are rowing long rows as 19-21spm. SPM of 27? I'm 6'5" in height and am still trying to figure out what spm's to use for each various distance when trying for PB times. I'm new to rowing so don't put out anything like your power at those spms yet though. Right now I'm at around 2:04 ish splits at 20spm for 30'. But its a lot better then a month or so ago when I started. Thanks, KMurphy 32M 6'5" 110kg (1:26 max pull) | 1:38.6 500m | 7.37.7 2k. |

[old] Xeno · Post by **[old] Xeno** » October 29th, 2004, 7:53 pm

Hi KMurphy My 2K rate is 34 +/- 2 through the body of the race. I enjoy a heavier setting on the Ergo, but I do not row the machine at a low rate when it comes to 2K racing. Xeno www.gorow.com

[old] GeorgeD · Post by **[old] GeorgeD** » October 30th, 2004, 2:35 am

I have transferred a post above by Xeno to its own thread for discussion (hope you dont mind Big guy . This will maybe then allow this thread to continue on the discussions relating to Lactate levels and still allow the other to deal with some of the comments Xeno has made that I THINK are very worthy of comment - George

[old] Mel Harbour · Post by **[old] Mel Harbour** » October 30th, 2004, 3:49 am

Marty must be getting bored of getting questions referred to him that I've asked regarding you! I'm guessing the next paragraph will probably lose the vast majority of people reading this post, but you can't make an omlette... The question I had referred to him was one regarding your sculling technique and his opinions on it. As you are probably aware, one of the 'idiosyncratic' things you do when you scull is that you don't draw the blades through level through the water, but 'wobble' them up and down. Marty has a theory that this is part of what makes you so fast in a single (likening it to the way a swimmer sweeps his hand from side to side when swimming forwards). There appears to be no conclusive answer to whether it helps you or not! Mel

[old] Xeno · Post by **[old] Xeno** » October 30th, 2004, 3:49 pm

That is right. There is no conclusive answer to it.

[old] donm79 · Post by **[old] donm79** » October 30th, 2004, 5:40 pm

Joe, Some athletes find that loading up on baking soda (sodium bicarbonate) prior to a race allows them to delay the onset of muscular fatigue. Essentially, muscular fatigue occurs due to accumulation of H+ ions and the associated acidification of the muscle. This interferes with the functioning of the contractile proteins in muscle cells and causes discomfort (the burn). Bicarbonate buffers (neutralises) the acid, reducing its effects. Don.

[old] Xeno · Post by **[old] Xeno** » November 2nd, 2004, 1:02 am

Today: 30' at stroke rate 24: 1:41.5; 8866m; W334.6; 725cal; resistance 6; 3.3 mmol; solid effort no sprint; felt a little uncomfortable in the stomach area, it felt like "3.3mmol" I am sure by doing a few more of such distances I may be able to push farther. Xeno www.gorow.com

[old] JosephNovak · Post by **[old] JosephNovak** » November 3rd, 2004, 11:40 am

So, I did my first lancet last night. (Actually, I just spiked myself w/ the orange pin b/c it didn't extend through the lancet device tip...) 2.4 at 2030 hrs. That morning at 0930 I had done 2x9 AT and I felt really good afterwards. The reading was taken from my ear lobe. I thought that maybe I'd screwed something up, so I took a reading from my little finger. 2.4 again. Okay... So I took another reading this morning at 0930 -- an hour after breakfast and well hydrated -- 2.4. The calibration strip reads smack dab in the middle of the range (at 2.3). Could I just be a 2.4 man? Should I stick to recovery for the next few days? For reference, I'm 28, 6'3", 235lb and my basal is at 45bpm (which is my reading this morning). Best, Joe

[old] JosephNovak · Post by **[old] JosephNovak** » November 4th, 2004, 8:14 pm

Spoke too soon. I went to bed last night with a 2.3 and feeling great after a long recovery day. Woke up this morning feeling hung over and cramped, my whr @ 56. I called into work and spent the day in bed (the best medicine I know). This points out something neat in the use of the lactate monitor -- it shows overstress long before you yourself notice it in the standard physiologic signals (unless you think the cold is psychosomatic.. hammer before oar?;) In unrelated news, I used my time off in the most productive venture of reading the latest IRN. It has a very well put together bio of Harry Parker by Ed Winchester -- not your clichéd bio piece -- which got me thinking; Xeno, two time Olympic medalist and aspiring coach, why aren't you Ivy League'ing it? Joe

[old] JosephNovak · Post by **[old] JosephNovak** » November 10th, 2004, 11:28 pm

It's Wednesday night, I've felt recovered since midday Sunday, and my bload lactate reading still has not dropped below 2.3. Does anyone have a reference as to where Xeno got his 1.3 cutoff figure? I've been reading the Peter Janssen book he suggested. I'm only on page 43, but I don't think this is his source. This is seeming like something I might want to take to my doctor and I don't want to sound like any more of an idiot than usual. Thanks, Joe

[old] Mel Harbour · Post by **[old] Mel Harbour** » November 11th, 2004, 3:25 am

It's not in the Janssen book. I think it's probably from either Harry Mahon or Marty Aitken or someone similar. Mel

[old] JosephNovak · Post by **[old] JosephNovak** » November 24th, 2004, 8:42 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> It's not in the Janssen book. I think it's probably from either Harry Mahon or Marty Aitken or someone similar. </td></tr></table> It's not in the Janssen book, and I don't really feel like writing Marty Aitken on this. My social graces aren't what they should be, but I've made it a rule of thumb not to email excruciatingly dumb questions to people I only know well enough to know aren't themselves excruciatingly dumb. Especially ones I might actually meet socially someday. I spent two weeks off with no effect on my reading (except for finishing the Janssen book ), so I don't think it's overtraining related. I tried the meter on some "friends" (I'm thinking of coining a new term for people who let me stick them with needles and draw blood for reasons they can't understand), and they all read in the 1.3 - 1.7 range. The meter even says that it won't register below .8 mmol, and what little literature I've found says that the normal resting range is between 1 and 2. I asked a cardiologist friend (no quotes) about all of this and she said low 2's probably isn't anything to worry about. She offered to look at the results of a BMP test if I wanted to double check the monitor's accuracy. Anyway, I'm back to training and still fine. I found this other book on the web which I'm going to give a try -- <a href='http://www.lactate.com/bkolbr_u.html' target='_blank'>Jan Olbrecht book</a>. Xeno, now that your back, any words of wisdom? Best, Joe

[old] TomR/the elder · Post by **[old] TomR/the elder** » November 24th, 2004, 9:33 pm

donm-- have you used baking soda? did you notice a significant difference in the way your body handled acidosis? did you have stomach problems? i've read that a large percentage of people who try baking soda get the runs and such. tom rawls

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