Dwayne Posted As Missing In Action

[[old] mpukita]

<!--quoteo(post=58019:date=Mar 1 2006, 09:38 PM:name=Porkchop)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Porkchop @ Mar 1 2006, 09:38 PM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--quoteo(post=57979:date=Mar 1 2006, 05:47 PM:name=mpukita)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(mpukita @ Mar 1 2006, 05:47 PM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--quoteo(post=57956:date=Mar 1 2006, 04:21 PM:name=Porkchop)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Porkchop @ Mar 1 2006, 04:21 PM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>[-- they wear much nicer suits than I do.<br /> </td></tr></table><br />PC:<br />I'll wager they had to sacrifice a whole lotta polyesters to make your suits. I'll have to report ya to PETA -- People for the Ethical Treatment of Acrylics.<br />-- MP<br /> </td></tr></table><br />I'll have you know that I have a partial interest in a polyester farm, so I get my cheap suits even cheaper. We have high standards for the humane treatment of polyesters and all other acrylics.<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Yeah, yeah, yeah, "<b>No Acrylics were injured in the manufacture of these suits.</b>"

[[old] Stretch]

This has got to be some sort of bizarre, online <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment" target="_blank">Milgram experiment.</a><br /><br />"Ergers love psychic pain, right? Let's test them to destruction!"

[[old] mpukita]

<!--quoteo(post=58021:date=Mar 1 2006, 09:49 PM:name=Stretch)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Stretch @ Mar 1 2006, 09:49 PM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>This has got to be some sort of bizarre, online <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment" target="_blank">Milgram experiment.</a><br /><br />"Ergers love psychic pain, right? Let's test them to destruction!"<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Wire me up and let's ... Get er' Done!

[[old] stupefaction]

<!--quoteo(post=58013:date=Mar 1 2006, 08:46 PM:name=dadams)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(dadams @ Mar 1 2006, 08:46 PM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--quotec-->So he's hardly indeterminate as a talent. In fact a much better sculler than I am. </td></tr></table><br /><br />I did not say that your doubles partner had weak talent. I said that his talent was indeterminate, which was quite true, because I was not aware of his credentials. Now that you have identified him as Ted Noyes, who pulled a very nice 6:54.7 recently, I have a better idea of who he is. Still, the point remains that a measurement of your performance in a shell together with Mr. Noyes is not helpful when it comes to evaluating the times you claim for solo erg performances. I presume that Mr. Noyes has much more on-water rowing experience than you, since you only took up sculling recently. On the other hand, you are the younger one, so I imagine the double must enter races in your age division, not his. Finally, I have not seen any race times for your double, and perhaps they don't even exist, since the practice at many regattas is to record only the winning times. If you did point me to a recorded time, it would have to be awfully impressive to lend credence to your claimed erg scores.<br /><br />All in all, I consider your participation in the Masters Worlds and other rowing regattas to be irrelevant to your erging claims. Well, there is some relevance, but it argues against your case. If you can take the trouble to haul your boat and oars to all these regattas, why can't you get to any public erg race to show off your mighty pullilng power? I know what Ted Noyes did on the erg at the Arizona Indoors. Where were you?

[[old] mpukita]

<!--quoteo(post=58026:date=Mar 1 2006, 10:17 PM:name=stupefaction)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(stupefaction @ Mar 1 2006, 10:17 PM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>All in all, I consider your participation in the Masters Worlds and other rowing regattas to be irrelevant to your erging claims. Well, there is some relevance, but it argues against your case. If you can take the trouble to haul your boat and oars to all these regattas, why can't you get to any public erg race to show off your mighty pullilng power? I know what Ted Noyes did on the erg at the Arizona Indoors. Where were you?<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Two questions:<br /><br />Who cares what you consider to be "irrelavent"?<br /><br />... and ...<br /><br />What "case"? <br /><br />There is no "case". Just some moron making disparaging remarks and insinuations, with no evidence.<br />

[[old] Chad Williams]

Same old rubbish from Mark. You just can’t answer anything in defiance can you?<br /><br />All you have to do is get any information on any of Dwayne’s claimed rows, any information on any of his topped ranked 500m, 1K, 2K, 5K, 6K or any row you want……etc. it is as easy as that. Out of all the rows Dwayne has done surely there must be one piece of data out there to back it up. The only data ANYONE has been able to find on any of Dwayne’s rows was found by me. The data was from BiRC 2002 and showed Dwayne pulling a 2K of over 7.20. Claiming he hurt is back after 500m into the race but battled on to finish. When looking at the data it showed that Dwayne only pulled a 1.36 average split at 27spm for the first 500m of that race so was not even closed to pulling a sub 6 minutes 2000m.<br /><br />Why do you think no other data is available, I don’t need to tell you why, as it is obvious. It is obvious because now he will not turn up at any race to perform in public. He had performed in public 5 times, 1 DNS, 2 DNF and the 3 races he did finish the quickest was in 7.00.8.<br /><br />All that Mark and the cheerleaders can come back with is “so” it is so pathetic that they have been taken in by it all.<br /><br />Just think how easy it could be for Dwayne to end this debate, he could just turn up at a public event and row a 2K at 26spm in his jeans and t-shirt and pull up sub 6.20. This is what someone who can pull a sub 5.50 2000m without any race prep could do.<br /><br />Mark and the cheerleaders may I suggest you go away and try and find some answers to the question that are being asked here instead of trying to hijack a thread with your childish behavior.<br />It is clear that you are in a corner with no where to hide just like Dwayne, you have nothing to throw back, you have no answer because there are no answers.<br /><br />

[[old] george nz]

You'll have to excuse me Chad but I cant face reading all the last few pages, but I was wondering if you have given a reason why you have not yet released this damming information you say you have.<br /><br />If you have not, do you envisage when you will (so I can check back) or do you not now intend to. Initially the only stipulation you set was that Dwayne gave the ok - which he did - so I can only assume you have changed your mind.<br /><br />George<br /><br />ps I have tried to phrase this in an non-confrontational, rational way, so that this post at least does not get hijacked or misquoted or misconstrued by anyone (as this topic is apt to do)

[[old] Chad Williams]

<!--quoteo(post=58038:date=Mar 2 2006, 02:46 AM:name=george nz)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(george nz @ Mar 2 2006, 02:46 AM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>You'll have to excuse me Chad but I cant face reading all the last few pages, but I was wondering if you have given a reason why you have not yet released this damming information you say you have.<br /><br />If you have not, do you envisage when you will (so I can check back) or do you not now intend to. Initially the only stipulation you set was that Dwayne gave the ok - which he did - so I can only assume you have changed your mind.<br /><br />George<br /><br />ps I have tried to phrase this in an non-confrontational, rational way, so that this post at least does not get hijacked or misquoted or misconstrued by anyone (as this topic is apt to do)<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />George, I will be publishing the evidence I have some time soon, so you have not missed it yet.<br /><br />Now lets all sit back and get ready for Mark to take this subject of at all angles so that he can avoid answering all the questions that are being asked.<br /><br />It is a shame that Dwayne can not talk for himself, all Mark is doing more damage to Dwayne than Dwayne himself.<br />So why don’t you retire as head cheerleader and let someone else who may have some answers have a go.<br /><br />

[[old] hjs]

<!--quoteo(post=58026:date=Mar 2 2006, 04:17 AM:name=stupefaction)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(stupefaction @ Mar 2 2006, 04:17 AM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--quoteo(post=58013:date=Mar 1 2006, 08:46 PM:name=dadams)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(dadams @ Mar 1 2006, 08:46 PM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--quotec-->So he's hardly indeterminate as a talent. In fact a much better sculler than I am. </td></tr></table><br /><br />I did not say that your doubles partner had weak talent. I said that his talent was indeterminate, which was quite true, because I was not aware of his credentials. Now that you have identified him as Ted Noyes, who pulled a very nice 6:54.7 recently, I have a better idea of who he is. Still, the point remains that a measurement of your performance in a shell together with Mr. Noyes is not helpful when it comes to evaluating the times you claim for solo erg performances. I presume that Mr. Noyes has much more on-water rowing experience than you, since you only took up sculling recently. On the other hand, you are the younger one, so I imagine the double must enter races in your age division, not his. Finally, I have not seen any race times for your double, and perhaps they don't even exist, since the practice at many regattas is to record only the winning times. If you did point me to a recorded time, it would have to be awfully impressive to lend credence to your claimed erg scores.<br /><br />All in all, I consider your participation in the Masters Worlds and other rowing regattas to be irrelevant to your erging claims. Well, there is some relevance, but it argues against your case. If you can take the trouble to haul your boat and oars to all these regattas, why can't you get to any public erg race to show off your mighty pullilng power? I know what Ted Noyes did on the erg at the Arizona Indoors. Where were you?<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />And again very nicely put, the only thing Dwayne does is trying to distrack. He will never be seen on a erg pulling something close to the performances he is claiming. He should come clear and put his consiouns to rest. <br />

[[old] michaelb]

Just so we don't lose sight of the facts in all of these ridiculous accusations, Dwayne Adams has pulled 3 witnessed and verified 2k's, 2 before the USIRT and 1 witnessed in 2004; two of those rows at least were sub 6. One of the witnesses verified that info to a forum member just a month ago. As far as I know, there is no basis or evidence or suggestion that those rows were not legit.<br /><br />Chad's so called "proof" has to convincingly show that those rows were done fraudulently and that the witnesses either lying or were fooled or tricked, in order to establish that Dwayne Adams cannot have rowed the times that he says he has rowed.

[[old] Chad Williams]

Let me correct you.<br /><br />Dwayne has never rowed a 2000m USIRT qualifying row which has been confirmed by any reliable witness.<br />All of Dwayne’s rows have never been done in the public domain. Nearly all other members of the USIRT qualified by way of rowing a satellite regatta, Dwayne never has.<br /><br />The both times that Dwayne raced under USIRT he finished one (BiRC) in 7.28 and the EiRC he failed to start.<br />After these races he has failed to row a 2000m in public since but has still claimed times around the 6.00 minute pace (last years USIRT qualifying row, which he rowed after the deadline was one of them) and also a couple of sub 5.50 rows, again with no reliable witness, no data and no videos/photos, even though we were told photos would be provided.<br />Yet Dwayne still claims millions of meters a year, the majority of top ranking times and distances and top level ranking spots on most virtual leagues.<br /><br />Yet, a man who is one of the top 5 ergers in the World as I type has no titles, medals or a 2K under 7 minutes in a public race to put to his name.<br /><br />Dwayne is 41 years old and the times he claims are that or better of an Olympic oarsman.<br />Any information that has been provided has so many holes in it, You look at any other World class rower for times and splits, photo etc and you can find it, Dennis Hastings, Graham Benton, Pavel, Bridgewater……..<br /><br />I could go on and on, but I think I have made my point more than once.<br />

[[old] michaelb]

Now we may be on to something, because I think you are wrong. Twice the USIRT announced the results of its qualifying trials and the make up of the team, including Dwayne Adams and his qualifying times, on the old forum. My understanding of the qualifying process at the time was that they were not generally done at regattas, but were done scheduled before a USIRT official.<br /><br />Do you have evidence that the USIRT mislead us about those qualifying trials, or that somehow Dwayne Adams fooled the USIRT official who witnessed his trials?

[[old] mpukita]

<!--quoteo(post=58083:date=Mar 2 2006, 09:53 AM:name=michaelb)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(michaelb @ Mar 2 2006, 09:53 AM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Now we may be on to something, because I think you are wrong. Twice the USIRT announced the results of its qualifying trials and the make up of the team, including Dwayne Adams and his qualifying times, on the old forum. My understanding of the qualifying process at the time was that they were not generally done at regattas, but were done scheduled before a USIRT official.<br /><br />Do you have evidence that the USIRT mislead us about those qualifying trials, or that somehow Dwayne Adams fooled the USIRT official who witnessed his trials?<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />You go Michael ... I'm going to sit by and watch ...

[[old] Chad Williams]

I have information that confirms that Dwayne as never done a USIRT qualifying row with any form of creatable witness.<br /><br />This year C2/USIRT gave all members of the USIRT a PM3 monitor so they could be monitored on the training they were doing and being set, we not what Dwayne did with his PM3 don’t we? <br /><br />

[[old] FrancoisA]

<!--quoteo(post=58079:date=Mar 2 2006, 02:18 PM:name=michaelb)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(michaelb @ Mar 2 2006, 02:18 PM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Chad's so called "proof" has to convincingly show that those rows were done fraudulently and that the witnesses either lying or were fooled or tricked, in order to establish that Dwayne Adams cannot have rowed the times that he says he has rowed.<br /> </td></tr></table><br />This is not how it works in sports. Here is an extract of Mike Caviston's post on the subject:<br /><!--quoteo--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I think there is a clear distinction between questioning someone’s claims and calling them a liar or a cheat. The sports arena is different from a court of law. An alleged criminal is innocent until proven guilty. In sport, we don’t assume an athlete is capable of a certain performance and remain convinced unless someone proves he isn’t. Asking for proof isn’t the same as claiming the performance didn’t or couldn’t happen. It is asking for positive verification on a matter that some people take quite seriously. Olympians or athletes at many world or national championships are expected to provide urine or blood samples to prove they haven’t used banned performance-enhancing substances. Do we really interpret that as “You’re all cheaters until you prove you’re not”? Anyone who has made the claims that Dwayne has should be prepared to hear people say, “Not that I’m doubting you or anything, but – prove it.”<br /> </td></tr></table>