Dwayne Posted As Missing In Action

[old] Alissa · Post by **[old] Alissa** » February 28th, 2006, 4:00 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(george nz @ Feb 28 2006, 11:28 AM) </div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Chad you have produced nothing new, happy to chat when you do. On the issue of defending Dwayne, the only thing I have condemned is 'trial by innuendo' - to this point in time you have presented nothing that was not already in the public arena. For the sake of the sport I hope you do present something of note soon, as all you are doing at present is dragging the 'sport and its administration' through the mud. You talk of attending BIRC 2006 but the reality of the situation is that unless this matter is resolved then your presence there is only going to cause 'unrest and unease' at what for many is the highlight of their calender when they get to meet other forumites. Read the posts about Boston this year and all the other events and see that it is the camaraderie that is the 'high point' and yes it is that camaraderie (that is so important in a minority sport) that you are undermining. Why I dont know, but I struggle to accept that it is in the interests of truth and justice if it was you would present the evidence and let others be the judge. My hope is that you can see what I am getting at - and it is not 'getting at' you. George </td></tr></table> Well said, George! (And thank you for doing so.) Alissa

[old] Thomas · Post by **[old] Thomas** » February 28th, 2006, 7:02 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(Wiecher @ Feb 28 2006, 11:27 AM) </div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Hello, this discussion about Dwayne is so boring....because everyone who knows about indoor rowing knows 2000m in 7:00 two years ago can not get to 5:46.....and also it is sure when someone can do that and can earn free tickets to a lot of races will race to show everyone HE CAN DO that kind of exceptional racing. Dwayne will nevvr show up, because he can not row such times and I would like to suggest to delete his times until the time he shows us at one race somewhere that kind of racing he suggest he can do everyday..... Everyone in the top lets say 25 should be able to show a racing result that makes sense. I did row 6:27.8 this year and I could row everyday easy 6:35, so for Dwayne 5:55 should be pritty easy rowing.... Besides that, I think his training is so though nobody can do that .....and that too when you have such level....you are distroying yourselfs, to much is always NOT working. This will be the last time I will ever say anything about it, because it is loosing time and it gives my negative energie, also the fact that C2 tolerates this kind of cheating, which I think have to be avoided.....and aesy can. Ciao and have a nice row and race </td></tr></table> He's not cheating. He's just not erg racing. I think alot of his meters are from rowing on the water, therego, it is natural that it would be kind of high. Concept-2 is satisfied that he has properly met the requirements to post a top ranking time. Andreas is pretty cool guy. I met him at the WIRC 2004 and had dinner with him, Roland Baltutis, Joachim Otto and hosted by Paul Flack and family. It was a great time. Andreas is a freakin' animal. I know of someone who met Dwayne at BIRC 2002. The guy who met Dwayne is 6'2" and thought Dwayne was a monster. He also thought Dwayne was a pretty cool guy.

[old] H_2O · Post by **[old] H_2O** » February 28th, 2006, 8:34 pm

Look guys to get at the truth we need to look at the evidence: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Dwayne to Graham Benton: Graham, Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. Do I think I could have gone any quicker - In a nut shell...no way. I started the piece all off the mark. Started my SR way to slow. I've been doing so much distance and steady state stuff as of late, I just wasn't thinking. My first 500 (or so)m was at a 26. Not really how I need to get this thing off. So I kicked up the SR to around a 38 to lighten up the handle. But of course by the time I hit the 1600 to 1700 mark, the handle was still way to heavy. Really felt like stopping at this point, but the word 'Chad' kept popping in my head. Sooo...stepped the last 250 to 300m in at around a 50 spm to finish. One word...TOUGH!!! But I think even if I had made the start the way I normally do I couldn't have pushed it any faster. Just a feeling, can't really explain it. I really think this was my fastest. Anyway, the splits are below... 500 - 1:25.6 1000 - 1:27.8 1500 - 1:26.6 2000 - 1:26.2 Dwayne ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here Dwayne puts forward the notion that someone who performs at world class level 5:46 (better than most male Olympic medalist scullers) goes to a 2K time trial without so much mental preparation as to reflect on what stroke rate he should be using! The stroke rate then varies from 26 to 38 to 50. This is like a swimmer swimming a 200m with slow long strokes for 50m then suddenly switching to a short choppy stroke for the next 100, then wheeling his arms furiously for the last 30m. Or a cyclist in a one hour time trial riding off with cadence 60 for 15 mins, then suddenly going to cadence 90 and for the final 9 minutes pedaling furiously at cadence 120. In each case a world class performance results. Have you ever seen anything like this? A world class athlete having basically no idea how to attack his piece!. Nobody has ever seen anything like this and so therefore nothing such ever happened. But we do know that Dwayne knows that too. So if he were lying he surely would not be telling a story like that. Rather he would be letting us know how he was warmed up perfectly, hit a nice even pace (SR 33) with a nice kick at the end. What does this mean? I can only come up with the following sinister explanation: Dwayne and Chad are office collegues working for the CIA or the Office of Special Plans, Internet Division, Research and Development: Project: Internet beliefs, shaping, robustness and persistence. Chad, the bas*ard, is coming in now in the robustness testing phase. One thing is for sure: we'll never see him near an erg.

[old] mpukita · Post by **[old] mpukita** » February 28th, 2006, 9:17 pm

LMAO ...

[old] Ben Rea · Post by **[old] Ben Rea** » February 28th, 2006, 10:14 pm

i hate how people are trying to falsly acuse dwayne. he's a mature adult who has no reason to lie to us or anyone else about these matters, if i were dwayne i would be upset if someone was trying to tell me I didnt do something I know i did. this is obsured

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » February 28th, 2006, 10:31 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(Ben Rea @ Feb 28 2006, 06:14 PM) </div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>i hate how people are trying to falsly acuse dwayne. he's a mature adult who has no reason to lie to us or anyone else about these matters, if i were dwayne i would be upset if someone was trying to tell me I didnt do something I know i did. this is obsured </td></tr></table> Not to worry Ben, go fast enough and it will happen to you. Just remember that when you know the truth, the ones lying about you are telling more about themselves than about you. No reason to be upset.

[old] H_2O · Post by **[old] H_2O** » March 1st, 2006, 12:46 am

Let's get to the bottom of this using strictly logical thinking. We need to analyze all the possibilities: Case 1: Dwayne really rows as fast as he does in the manner he describes. This means that he can get up on a whim and pull 5:46 on short notice. No 2K race preparation, no taper, no race plan, no idea even about the stroke rate --- not even remotely: selfsame is adjusted from 26 to 38. That means he was completely out of 2K race pace rowing. If he would have done just a little race pace rowing surely he would have had at least the stroke rate nailed to within 2 strokes per minute. More than that: he never before had an idea about the stroke rate or a race plan he might now fall back on. There is after all a rather large difference between rowing at 26 SPM and rowing at 38 SPM. In other words he can pull 5:46 doing no race pace work and rowing in an arbitrary fashion according to how he feels that day. . Probability: very very low. Case 2: Dwayne is an ordinary fraud. Here we are to imagine that one day out of the blue Dwayne started submitting inflated times. He got into that more and more and tended to it carefully every day. He posted and keeps posting on the board. He submits meters rowed, distance pieces --- year after year --- although he really does not have much interest in rowing. There are no benefits to this. One day he gets invited to the USIRT. He brazenly shows up although, mind you, he can not row at all. He is not afraid that some of the real and knowledgeable rowers there (among which coaches, former olympians) might suspect something. But no matter, Dwayne's idea of a good time is to risk all this and then travel to Europe to a rowing venue and spend most of his time in a large room with ergs, more of his time in a cramped space in a plane and the rest of his time in a hotel room or at the airport. Dwayne can only pull 7:05 but nobody notices anything. He is warming up, he gets coached and everything looks just fine and dandy like a 6:00 is due. Imagine YOU getting invited to the US olympic swim team. Would you join? Probability: even lower. Case 3: Dwayne is part of a large conspiracy. It is the only possibility left. I have already outlined above a very reasonable believable scenario. The most frightening thing though is that C2 and the members of the USIRT must all be in on it too. Undoubtedly they met some able bodied men in dark suits and sunglasses who explained something to them. You notice how not one of them has much to say on this. This is very typical, the able bodied men usually carry agreements which you have to sign. It is explained to you in a convincing manner that you really should sign. What is this all about? It is hard to know except that it is surely very sinister.

[old] Thomas · Post by **[old] Thomas** » March 1st, 2006, 1:52 am

It don't think is it possible for him to be a fraud. He has been part of the USIRT for the 2002 BIRC and the 2003 EIRC where someone reputable had to test him. He is actually part of a real rowing team that races at major events. He physically looks like he would be fast. There is no mistake that when you go to the BIRC and WIRC that the guys who medal physically look like they should be standing there on the medal podium. Dwayne's physical appearance is consist with those who have medaled (medal'd).

[old] hjs · Post by **[old] hjs** » March 1st, 2006, 4:46 am

Case 2: Dwayne is an ordinary fraud. H20 this is Case 4 : caught in his own web probability high. Dwayne is not a 7.00 rower. Offcause he can row and he also does and he can do it on a very acceptable level. I think he can pull 6.10/6.20 orso. When he first started ranking his times he maybe believed he could become that good in time, he was just beginning and he problably was improving rapid, but offcause the sub 5.50 times were way to quick for him. The reason he went to Europa was that on forhand he thought he could come near his ranked times, and thus accepted the invitation. And as time went by he didn,t know how to withdraw and thought I have to go through and make sure I don,t get cought. He made a plan: I start and stop halfway and say I am injured. And so he did. Offcause you can,t keep doing that over and over again so can never ever appear during a race again. The hole fraude would come on the surface. This is what has happened I think. Haven,t you noticed that Dwayne never ever even talk about erging again but on the other hand dares to challance someone else to race him on water, although that man has never a boot is his life! And the same man what's to race him on an erg even if it's on the moon. And about the 546 , If you pull off a pb doing it that way you know that you could do much better. So the 546 don this way menas that if well paced he could pull a solid sub 5.40 , Probability : very close to zero.

[old] Chad Williams · Post by **[old] Chad Williams** » March 1st, 2006, 4:51 am

Dwayne was never tested for USIRT, he never has done. He got onto to USIRT purely on the times he had submitted via so called “witnesses”. None of these witnesses were credible witnesses. The majority of USIRT rowers qualified via satellite regattas, meeting the qualification time in a public event. Dwayne has never rowed a satellite regatta to qualify for USIRT. Dwayne has only ever qualified for USIRT by word of mouth times. C2 have got caught up in it all, they paid for 2 trips to Europe for Dwayne and he did not perform either time. Dwayne did not push his luck last year by trying to qualify for the USIRT, even though he did do a 6.03 a few days after the qualify date. If he could pull a 5.46 at a few days notice he could do a qualifying row any day of the week, so using a trip to Asia as an excuse to not make the qualifying date was just a convenient excuse for him to use. When is Dwayne going to row in Public? Let’s get him to an event. Let’s start a fund to Pay for Dwayne to fly to BiRC and to cover the cost of his hotel. I will donate $50 and I will also pay his entry fee. The trip will not cost him a penny. That will be his 3rd free trip to Europe, maybe it will be 3rd time lucky!!

[old] Robbo · Post by **[old] Robbo** » March 1st, 2006, 5:26 am

Chad, if we ask you questions about your evidence, will you confirm whether we get it right or even warm? Robbo

[old] cbrock · Post by **[old] cbrock** » March 1st, 2006, 6:44 am

I presume all of us use the Personal Log Cards with the PM3. Particularly those high performance athletes who need to constantly refer to splits, distances covered, failed attempts at PB's etc. Even those less fortunate than most who are forced to train at the local gym. Aren't those days when you forget your card a bummer. The monthly totals are wrong and if the workout was a good one not even your mates believe you! I bet all the world class athletes are even more frustrated when this happens to them. Anyway to the point....... If those sceptics who believe that Dwayne 's efforts are just a fairytale, then providing you can read, all the evidence is there on Dwaynes Log Card. I would expect nothing less than a personal apology from all of you. For those taking the high moral ground and who believe Dwayne has no obligation to Race (not sitting in judgement of your position here) then providing you can read, all the evidence is there for you as well. I know that I love to look at my log cards for those infrequent days when, I exceeded 10k, I achieved a sub 8.30 for 2k and particularly the card that shows my first million metres. Dwayne please bring this to an end and share (1) or (2) one of those cards with me or someone you trust. This way you have made no concession to Chad and have provided all the proof of your exploits to those who have quite rightly felt increasing annoyance as to how you have been treated. I for example would particularly love to see whether those 50k days were in one workout or four. And as to those World Bests were they even splits or fly and dies. Wayne can't cheat the log card Chad, unless of course he has five full time world class rowers on his payroll for the past two years. I would not accept this as a credible argument I believe it is my mission to resolve this issue so as to allow everybody to return to their normal training patterns and achieve the success that may have eluded them since this first exploded onto the forum. Hopefully this will bring an end to the matter and there will be no more accusations, bad language, twenty paragraph responses, innuendo and illwill. We can all love one another again. I feel my job is now done. Chris

[old] Chad Williams · Post by **[old] Chad Williams** » March 1st, 2006, 6:51 am

If you remember, Dwayne gave his PM3 away and rows with a PM2+, so no saved data or log cards.

[old] Robbo · Post by **[old] Robbo** » March 1st, 2006, 7:03 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(Chad Williams @ Mar 1 2006, 05:51 AM) </div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>If you remember, Dwayne gave his PM3 away and rows with a PM2+, so no saved data or log cards. </td></tr></table> He might have done but his recent record was on a PM3. Again my question to you-if we ask you questions regarding your evidence will you confirm whether it is correct in full or part

[old] hjs · Post by **[old] hjs** » March 1st, 2006, 7:03 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(cbrock @ Mar 1 2006, 11:44 AM) </div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I presume all of us use the Personal Log Cards with the PM3. Particularly those high performance athletes who need to constantly refer to splits, distances covered, failed attempts at PB's etc. Even those less fortunate than most who are forced to train at the local gym. Aren't those days when you forget your card a bummer. The monthly totals are wrong and if the workout was a good one not even your mates believe you! I bet all the world class athletes are even more frustrated when this happens to them. Anyway to the point....... If those sceptics who believe that Dwayne 's efforts are just a fairytale, then providing you can read, all the evidence is there on Dwaynes Log Card. I would expect nothing less than a personal apology from all of you. For those taking the high moral ground and who believe Dwayne has no obligation to Race (not sitting in judgement of your position here) then providing you can read, all the evidence is there for you as well. I know that I love to look at my log cards for those infrequent days when, I exceeded 10k, I achieved a sub 8.30 for 2k and particularly the card that shows my first million metres. Dwayne please bring this to an end and share (1) or (2) one of those cards with me or someone you trust. This way you have made no concession to Chad and have provided all the proof of your exploits to those who have quite rightly felt increasing annoyance as to how you have been treated. I for example would particularly love to see whether those 50k days were in one workout or four. And as to those World Bests were they even splits or fly and dies. Wayne can't cheat the log card Chad, unless of course he has five full time world class rowers on his payroll for the past two years. I would not accept this as a credible argument I believe it is my mission to resolve this issue so as to allow everybody to return to their normal training patterns and achieve the success that may have eluded them since this first exploded onto the forum. Hopefully this will bring an end to the matter and there will be no more accusations, bad language, twenty paragraph responses, innuendo and illwill. We can all love one another again. I feel my job is now done. Chris </td></tr></table> You also don,t get it.

he has nothing, no races, no logcard zilts. he will never ever show anything. he has to life the lie, Think of the humiliation he would endure if his fraude came out. ouch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. Theyh onlt thing he can do is life the lie his hole life.

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