Dwayne Posted As Missing In Action

[[old] Chad Williams]

I challenge Dwayne to a 2K race. BiRC 2006. Row in the Open against me. I will pay your entry fee.<br />You are in USIRT, you will qualify for another free trip to EiRC, I will come and race you there too. I hope Andreas can make either of the races.<br /><br />

[[old] mpukita]

<!--quoteo(post=57659:date=Feb 28 2006, 10:06 AM:name=Polaco)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Polaco @ Feb 28 2006, 10:06 AM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--quoteo(post=57638:date=Feb 28 2006, 08:52 AM:name=mpukita)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(mpukita @ Feb 28 2006, 08:52 AM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>My God, watch TV, exercise, work, worship ... please do something else rather than keep fueling this Dwayne won't race topic. It's his decision, and he ain't doing it!<br /><br />SO WHAT??? If it bothers you that much, go take up badminton!!!<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />Who is fueling this Dwayne topic? Who is putting excessive passion on it? Who bothers so much? I think that is you the one who is acting like if Dwayne was your brother or your son. <br /><br />I cannot understand how you feel free to judge people as Ranger or Andreas (both extraordinary athletes that have medals and hammers) and then you cannot tolerate that someone questions DA times that nobody has seen in public. <br /><br />Warm Regards<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Jamie:<br /><br />Hey, hey, hey, Ranger and Andreas both opened their mouths and wrote things here, challenged others, or jumped on the Dwayne bandwagon (Andreas did, Ranger did not). <b>Dwayne did nothing.</b> Chad called him out, said he had evidence, and then couldn't deliver that evidence. I essence, he lied about his accusations made about Dwayne. And, I never challenged the athleticism of anyone here ... ever. But, just because Andreas or Ranger can pull a good time doesn't mean I'm going to sit here and worship them and let them say things that are inappropriate without questioning them. It also doen't mean they're acting like good forumites ... necessarily ... just because they're good ergers.<br /><br />If Dwayne started spouting off about his training regime, that his way was better than my way, politics, religion, etc., I'd give him just as much feedback ... especially if I thought he was lying, being outrageous, or being discourteous.<br /><br />I'd ask you this question. How can you support a guy like Chad, when he's clearly delusional at best, a liar at worst? Do you feel it's OK for people to accuse others of being a liar, with no proof?<br /><br />Regards ... Mark

[[old] Chad Williams]

Mark, here you go again................It is Dwayne that has no proof. He makes claimes and has no proof to back them up.<br />As you will soon see I do have proof.<br /><br />Here is proof of Dwaynes fastest ever public race performance. Look under 30-39 Hwt.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.longbeachrowing.org/events/B ... 1%2003.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.longbeachrowing.org/events/B ... pdf</a><br /><br />

[[old] mpukita]

<!--quoteo(post=57665:date=Feb 28 2006, 11:17 AM:name=Chad Williams)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Chad Williams @ Feb 28 2006, 11:17 AM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Mark, here you go again................It is Dwayne that has no proof. He makes claimes and has no proof to back them up.<br />As you will soon see I do have proof.<br /><br />Here is proof of Dwaynes fastest ever public race performance. Look under 30-39 Hwt.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.longbeachrowing.org/events/B ... 1%2003.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.longbeachrowing.org/events/B ... pdf</a><br /> </td></tr></table><br />Chad:<br /><br />Like thousands here, Dwayne posts his meters and times. Very little else. He's not calling people out or spouting off like you. I can't find too many posts from you that are at all motivational, inspirational, educational, or enlightening. You make little or no positive contribution to this forum. You just try to whip up intrigue and scandal. All I see is you trying to tear someone down ... never help build someone up, help them improve, or help educate them about erging/rowing.<br /><br />That's all I'm saying.<br /><br />And then, you spout off about having "evidence", but we never get to see it. So, show it to us, or shut the heck up and go erg. Don't keep telling us that we'll see ... we have eyes ... if it's on your desk in front of you, post it and show us. If you need to get documentation scanned, so it can be posted or transmitted, I'll gladly PayPal you a few quid to pay for that service, if you need.<br /><br />-- Mark<br /><br /><!--quoteo(post=57665:date=Feb 28 2006, 11:17 AM:name=Chad Williams)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Chad Williams @ Feb 28 2006, 11:17 AM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Here is proof of Dwaynes fastest ever public race performance. Look under 30-39 Hwt.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.longbeachrowing.org/events/B ... 1%2003.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.longbeachrowing.org/events/B ... pdf</a><br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Same old crap, different day. No evidence of anything but the time he pulled on that day in 2003. No evidence that he has ever cheated. How hard is that to understand?<br />

[[old] Chad Williams]

It proves that he did not row a sub 6.00 on that day, it proves he had yet another bad day at the office!!<br /><br />5 public races, 3 bad days, 1 DNF and 1 DNS.<br /><br /><br />

[[old] mpukita]

<!--quoteo(post=57670:date=Feb 28 2006, 11:31 AM:name=Chad Williams)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Chad Williams @ Feb 28 2006, 11:31 AM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>It proves that he did not row a sub 6.00 on that day, it proves he had yet another bad day at the office!!<br /><br />5 public races, 3 bad days, 1 DNF and 1 DNS.<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />But the word "cheat" or "lied" isn't in your post ... which is what you've claimed he did. Still no proof. None.

[[old] Polaco]

<!--quoteo(post=57663:date=Feb 28 2006, 11:10 AM:name=mpukita)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(mpukita @ Feb 28 2006, 11:10 AM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><br />I'd ask you this question. How can you support a guy like Chad, when he's clearly delusional at best, a liar at worst? Do you feel it's OK for people to accuse others of being a liar, with no proof?<br /><br />Regards ... Mark<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />I think that you are overreacting with Chad's doubts. And if you want me to be absolutely sincere I also have my doubts, even Mike Caviston (and I think is well respected by you and me) wrote about it, remember??<br /><br />Finishing with these doubts should be very easy for DA, and of course he is free to race or not, it's up to him, and whatever decission he takes must be respected, but...... he has to assume that posting those amazing times at the board and never perform them in public leads to many people to question his performance. I let him the liberty of racing or not but please Mark PLEASE, let me the liberty or believing or not, ok? And I don't think I am a bad person just for being skeptical, or yes?<br /><br />Regards<br /><br />Jaime

[[old] mpukita]

<!--quoteo(post=57672:date=Feb 28 2006, 11:33 AM:name=Polaco)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Polaco @ Feb 28 2006, 11:33 AM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--quoteo(post=57663:date=Feb 28 2006, 11:10 AM:name=mpukita)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(mpukita @ Feb 28 2006, 11:10 AM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><br />I'd ask you this question. How can you support a guy like Chad, when he's clearly delusional at best, a liar at worst? Do you feel it's OK for people to accuse others of being a liar, with no proof?<br /><br />Regards ... Mark<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />I think that you are overreacting with Chad's doubts. And if you want me to be absolutely sincere I also have my doubts, even Mike Caviston (and I think is well respected by you and me) wrote about it, remember??<br /><br />Finishing with these doubts should be very easy for DA, and of course he is free to race or not, it's up to him, and whatever decission he takes must be respected, but...... he has to assume that posting those amazing times at the board and never perform them in public leads to many people to question his performance. I let him the liberty of racing or not but please Mark PLEASE, let me the liberty or believing or not, ok? And I don't think I am a bad person just for being skeptical, or yes?<br /><br />Regards<br /><br />Jaime<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Jamie:<br /><br />I never said anyone couldn't be skeptical or doubt ... ever. What I've said from the start, and I believe I have been consistent, is that Chad said Dwayne cheated, or lied, and that he had proof. He has no proof.<br /><br />Everyone here is allowed to believe what they like, I've never debated that. I just feel it's inappropriate to call someone a cheater with no evidence. Then, to say you have evidence, but then cannot produce it, well ... that would make us suspect Chad of being the liar, yes?<br /><br />Regards ... Mark<br />

[[old] Chad Williams]

<!--sizeo:2--><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo-->I challenge Dwayne to a 2K race. BiRC 2006. Row in the Open against me. I will pay your entry fee.<br />You are in USIRT, you will qualify for another free trip to EiRC, I will come and race you there too. I hope Andreas can make either of the races.<!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec--><br /><br />

[[old] John Rupp]

Andreas should take Dwayne up on his offer to race on the water.<br /><br />Andreas can even use his canoe.<br /><br />Since Dwayne made the challenge, then Andreas can pick the location.<br /><br />Any river and conditions that he chooses.<br /><br />I am betting 100% that Andreas will win this race every time.

[[old] tmcguiness]

I just got started with rowing and have been very impressed with the cordiality, goodwill, and comradarie that I have found among these forums. It's good to know there is such a strong support network I can turn to for advice or moral support. <br /><br />Y'all are the best!<br />

[[old] Porkchop]

<!--quoteo(post=57671:date=Feb 28 2006, 11:33 AM:name=mpukita)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(mpukita @ Feb 28 2006, 11:33 AM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--quoteo(post=57670:date=Feb 28 2006, 11:31 AM:name=Chad Williams)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Chad Williams @ Feb 28 2006, 11:31 AM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>It proves that he did not row a sub 6.00 on that day, it proves he had yet another bad day at the office!!<br /><br />5 public races, 3 bad days, 1 DNF and 1 DNS.<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />But the word "cheat" or "lied" isn't in your post ... which is what you've claimed he did. Still no proof. None.<br /> </td></tr></table><br />Mark,<br /><br />Do you suppose that <b>THIS</b> summarizes the so-called "proof"? This is circumstantial evidence, not proof.<br /><br />If the assertion to be tested is that Dwayne rowed a 2K in a particular time on a particular day (or in Chad's view, that Dwayne lied about rowing a 2K in a particular time on a particular day), then "proof" would be some evidence that he made the whole thing up out of whole cloth, that he rigged the monitor, that his witnesses lied in their verifications, that he arranged for some kind of assistance from others, i.e., turned it into a "relay," or that he engaged in some other form of cheating.<br /><br />Different people give circumstantial evidence different weights depending on their own experience in life. At best, circumstantial evidence affects one's opinion of the probablility of any given assertion being true; it cannot actually prove the truth or falsity of the assertion. <br /><br />Moreover, outside the realm of carefully controlled experiments in physical science, the fact that something did not happen at one particular time, cannot conclusively prove that it did not happen at another time. Bode Miller's dismal Olympic skiing performance is not "proof" that he has not been a world-champion skier, although it may well "prove" something about his personality. The fact that the Austrian ski team tested negative for banned substances at the Olympics does not prove whether they did or did not use them at some prior date. (And for any Austrians who might be offended by that example, the same goes for American Lance Armstrong -- we'll never know for sure, because one can never know for sure.) As a general matter, I favor the presumption of innocence -- it is up to the accuser to show that there was wrongdoing.<br /><br />I really don't care whether Dwayne did or didn't do what he says he did. I am a believer in fairness and due process, though. If there's "proof," then Chad ought to bring it on; if there is none, then Chad ought to drop the matter. This endless string of posts to the effect that "I know something you don't know" is puerile at best, narcissistic and libelous at worst. <br /><br />Don't leave us hanging, Chad. Post up. <br /><br />If the evidence is as good as you imply, then all of us will applaud your Sherlockian intelligence and bulldog tenacity. If it's not, well, then, we won't. If all you have is what you mentioned above (three race times, one DNS, and one DNF), then we can all agree that it is circumstantial evidence that might justify suspicion, but not necessarily condemnation. A suspense movie needs a payoff at the end, or it falls flat with the audience. You've built the suspense, so where's the payoff?<br />

[[old] Andreas]

<!--quoteo(post=57535:date=Feb 27 2006, 07:07 PM:name=gw1)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(gw1 @ Feb 27 2006, 07:07 PM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Andreas<br /><br />Good row in Boston! Props for always travelling to these races no matter how far away they are!<br />Great effort!<br /><br />Gary<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Thanx Gary and others it was a tough race.To bad that I didnt medal with my 2nd best time.Huge cograts to Ralph(gee his big)and Poul nice meeting you and good to see you again Brain-next time (I supose its all thats left to say) These are exstraordinary athletes<br /><br /><!--quoteo(post=57550:date=Feb 27 2006, 08:41 PM:name=dadams)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(dadams @ Feb 27 2006, 08:41 PM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--quoteo(post=57535:date=Feb 27 2006, 07:07 PM:name=gw1)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(gw1 @ Feb 27 2006, 07:07 PM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Andreas<br /><br />Good row in Boston! Props for always travelling to these races no matter how far away they are!<br />Great effort!<br /><br />Gary<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />He didn't seem to make it to Edmonton this past July. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />To rediculous to say anything about other than uuh????!!!!!!<br /><br /><!--quoteo(post=57568:date=Feb 27 2006, 09:34 PM:name=John Rupp)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Feb 27 2006, 09:34 PM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>What was your erg time in Edmonton, Dwayne?<br /><br />Andreas came from South Africa to compete at the World Indoor Rowing Championships.<br /><br />What was your excuse this time?<br /><br />I used to stick up for you, and Andreas got upset with me cause I did.<br /><br />Now you have convinced me he is right.<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Thanx John for the recognition!!!(Can I take that as a "sorry" )<br /><br /><!--quoteo(post=57614:date=Feb 28 2006, 06:30 AM:name=Chad Williams)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Chad Williams @ Feb 28 2006, 06:30 AM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I have just found this post from Andreas from Jan 21 2006, 12:19 AM.<br /><br /><i>"At this stage I would just renew my offer of joining Dwayne on Rowpro for this long awaited piece. The evaluation copy can be downloaded free of charge and the verification code wont be lost either. I must just clarify that I wont be racing since I'm not any match for Dwayne's times but I would very much like to witness this spectical on Rowpro.Unfortunatly only 8 rower will be able to join.<br />Dwayne if you're willing to do this, please PM me so that I can shedule the race at your convenience(even if it means early morning for me!!!!)<br /><br />Regarding on water races: I'm no match since I have never been in a boat before<br />I'm a canoeist (I thought we went through this last year)"</i><br /><br />Now is your chance to accept the challenge.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><i>Jan 20 2006, 08:38 AM<br />Tell ya what I'm gonna do fur ya Graham. I'll erg a 2k piece this weekend. On a Model D, with the new firmware. I'll get the code from the machine and enter the piece in the rankings. <b>I'll also take a screen shot of the piece</b> (or have one of the people at the boathouse do it while I'm rowing) and down load it for you to take a look at. Sound like a plan?<br /><br />Dwayne</i><br /><br /><b><!--sizeo:3--><span style="font-size:12pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo-->Still waiting!!<!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec--></b><br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Thanx Chad for the time and efford you put in!!!<br /><br />Dwayne: <!--sizeo:5--><span style="font-size:18pt;line-height:100%"><!--/sizeo--><!--coloro:#FF0000--><span style="color:#FF0000"><!--/coloro-->Please<!--colorc--></span><!--/colorc--><!--sizec--></span><!--/sizec--> challange me to an erg race<br />(did my attitude improved??)<br /><br />

[[old] Wiecher]

Hello, this discussion about Dwayne is so boring....because everyone who knows about indoor rowing knows 2000m in 7:00 two years ago can not get to 5:46.....and also it is sure when someone can do that and can earn free tickets to a lot of races will race to show everyone HE CAN DO that kind of exceptional racing.<br /><br />Dwayne will nevvr show up, because he can not row such times and I would like to suggest to delete his times until the time he shows us at one race somewhere that kind of racing he suggest he can do everyday..... Everyone in the top lets say 25 should be able to show a racing result that makes sense. I did row 6:27.8 this year and I could row everyday easy 6:35, so for Dwayne 5:55 should be pritty easy rowing....<br /><br />Besides that, I think his training is so though nobody can do that .....and that too when you have such level....you are distroying yourselfs, to much is always NOT working.<br /><br />I suggest now to remove the results of Dwayne .......like it would be silly to see next year a result of me from 5:39......my friends would laugh about me.....<br /><br />This will be the last time I will ever say anything about it, because it is loosing time and it gives my negative energie, also the fact that C2 tolerates this kind of cheating, which I think have to be avoided.....and aesy can.<br /><br />Ciao and have a nice row and race

[[old] george nz]

Chad you have produced nothing new, happy to chat when you do.<br /><br />On the issue of defending Dwayne, the only thing I have condemned is 'trial by innuendo' - to this point in time you have presented nothing that was not already in the public arena.<br /><br />For the sake of the sport I hope you do present something of note soon, as all you are doing at present is dragging the 'sport and its administration' through the mud. You talk of attending BIRC 2006 but the reality of the situation is that unless this matter is resolved then your presence there is only going to cause 'unrest and unease' at what for many is the highlight of their calender when they get to meet other forumites. Read the posts about Boston this year and all the other events and see that it is the camaraderie that is the 'high point' and yes it is that camaraderie (that is so important in a minority sport) that you are undermining.<br /><br />Why I dont know, but I struggle to accept that it is in the interests of truth and justice if it was you would present the evidence and let others be the judge. My hope is that you can see what I am getting at - and it is not 'getting at' you.<br /><br />George