Vote On Chad Williams

[[old] Hal Morgan]

Why do you all have to be such ****** (edited)? Piss off the whole bunch of you. You forum hogging old men.

[[old] ancho]

DA is free to post his times<br />CW is free to post his accusations<br /><br />both are free to make a fool of themselves, just anxiousely awaiting proofs from anywhere...<br /><br />Meanwhile, lets keep up this "grown-ups" discussion on the seriouse thrads of this adult forum.<br /><br />And then expect Israelis and Palestinians or Iranians and Americans to undstand each other <br /><br />VERY VERY SAD...

[[old] DIESEL]

Despite my lighting Chad up for questioning DA without providing proof and just being a tease....<br /><br />NO on censorship. <br /><br />Chad is behaving like a world-class TOOL but that is not a reason to ban him. <br /><br />To sum: Chad is a huge tool. But I support his right to be a huge tool.

[[old] hjs]

<!--quoteo(post=58393:date=Mar 4 2006, 09:28 AM:name=DIESEL)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(DIESEL @ Mar 4 2006, 09:28 AM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Despite my lighting Chad up for questioning DA without providing proof and just being a tease....<br /><br />NO on censorship. <br /><br />Chad is behaving like a world-class TOOL but that is not a reason to ban him. <br /><br />To sum: Chad is a huge tool. But I support his right to be a huge tool. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />Indeed,<br /><br />Just As the D A fanclub has the right to be as Naieve/ignorant as the are. If pigs can fly? he so can DA. <br /><br /><br />Ps The Fanclub has only members who erg very slow. Why would that be? maybe because someone who erg a bit faster knowes that the claimes DA makes are symply not possible. Not that erging faster makes you smarter orso but it gives you a certain "inside " information so to speak. It makes you on this a bit less naieve.

[[old] JaapR]

<!--quoteo(post=58394:date=Mar 4 2006, 04:38 AM:name=hjs)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(hjs @ Mar 4 2006, 04:38 AM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Ps The Fanclub has only members who erg very slow. Why would that be? maybe because someone who erg a bit faster knowes that the claimes DA makes are symply not possible. Not that erging faster makes you smarter orso but it gives you a certain "inside " information so to speak. It makes you on this a bit less naieve. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Henry,<br />The opposite is true for me. I'm certainly not a world class rower and although winning the Dutch IRC the past two years in the 40+ category, I also think there are a couple of 40+ rowers in the Netherlands as well who can do faster than me (6:17). I would not call myself a slow rower, but I do not have any reason to doubt the times Dwayne registered in the rankings. I´m not member of any fanclub but have the feeling that you and other disbelievers put everyone that does not doubt his times into that category.<br /><br />P.S Hope you join the Dutch IRC in December 2006.<br /><br />Jaap<br />

[[old] hjs]

<!--quoteo(post=58399:date=Mar 4 2006, 12:44 PM:name=JaapR)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(JaapR @ Mar 4 2006, 12:44 PM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--quoteo(post=58394:date=Mar 4 2006, 04:38 AM:name=hjs)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(hjs @ Mar 4 2006, 04:38 AM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Ps The Fanclub has only members who erg very slow. Why would that be? maybe because someone who erg a bit faster knowes that the claimes DA makes are symply not possible. Not that erging faster makes you smarter orso but it gives you a certain "inside " information so to speak. It makes you on this a bit less naieve. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Henry,<br />The opposite is true for me. I'm certainly not a world class rower and although winning the Dutch IRC the past two years in the 40+ category, I also think there are a couple of 40+ rowers in the Netherlands as well who can do faster than me (6:17). I would not call myself a slow rower, but I do not have any reason to doubt the times Dwayne registered in the rankings. I´m not member of any fanclub but have the feeling that you and other disbelievers put everyone that does not doubt his times into that category.<br /><br />P.S Hope you join the Dutch IRC in December 2006.<br /><br />Jaap<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />Hello jaap,<br /><br /><br />Although you are not a worldclassrower you are certainly someone who doesn,t ergs bad. You're a fine rower. <br /><br />About DA we differ in opinion. It's not the times itself but the hole way is it done. This gives me my opinion.<br />But it,s ok to have an other thought on this matter. The way a lot of pro thinkers seem to start namecalling and ridicule the matter is something differant.<br /><br />I hope though that the ranking system will alter in some way to prevent what is now possible (and happening). I think C2 is working on that.<br /><br />About dec 2006. I am planning to row there, and will trie to catch up with you . I hope my the weakspots in my body don't give up. But without a doubt we will meat somewere. <br />Have a nice (and hopefully fast ) rowingyear and have fun doing it.<br /><br /><br />ps. The way you made your point is good example for some others (including me) on this matter. Thanks.<br /><br /><br /><br />Henry.<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><!--quoteo(post=58401:date=Mar 4 2006, 01:46 PM:name=hjs)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(hjs @ Mar 4 2006, 01:46 PM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--quoteo(post=58399:date=Mar 4 2006, 12:44 PM:name=JaapR)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(JaapR @ Mar 4 2006, 12:44 PM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--quoteo(post=58394:date=Mar 4 2006, 04:38 AM:name=hjs)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(hjs @ Mar 4 2006, 04:38 AM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Ps The Fanclub has only members who erg very slow. Why would that be? maybe because someone who erg a bit faster knowes that the claimes DA makes are symply not possible. Not that erging faster makes you smarter orso but it gives you a certain "inside " information so to speak. It makes you on this a bit less naieve. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Henry,<br />The opposite is true for me. I'm certainly not a world class rower and although winning the Dutch IRC the past two years in the 40+ category, I also think there are a couple of 40+ rowers in the Netherlands as well who can do faster than me (6:17). I would not call myself a slow rower, but I do not have any reason to doubt the times Dwayne registered in the rankings. I´m not member of any fanclub but have the feeling that you and other disbelievers put everyone that does not doubt his times into that category.<br /><br />P.S Hope you join the Dutch IRC in December 2006.<br /><br />Jaap<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Hello jaap,<br /><br /><br />Although you are not a worldclassrower you are certainly someone who doesn,t ergs bad. You're a fine rower. <br /><br />About DA we differ in opinion. It's not the times itself but the hole way is it done. This gives me my opinion.<br />But it,s ok to have an other thought on this matter. The way a lot of pro thinkers seem to start namecalling and ridicule the matter is something differant.<br /><br />I hope though that the ranking system will alter in some way to prevent what is now possible (and happening). I think C2 is working on that.<br /><br />About dec 2006. I am planning to row there, and will trie to catch up with you . I hope my the weakspots in my body don't give up. But without a doubt we will meat somewere. <br />Have a nice (and hopefully fast ) rowingyear and have fun doing it.<br /><br /><br />ps. The way you made your point is good example for some others (including me) on this matter. Thanks.<br /><br />bye the way, are you allready member in one off the online teams? If not join the Forum flyers . We can always use someone like you. See <a href="http://www.c2ctc.com/index.php?c_id=0" target="_blank">http://www.c2ctc.com/index.php?c_id=0</a> (hennie and I are also members)<br /><br /><br /><br />Henry.<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />

[[old] Chad Williams]

It is sadly a true fact with regards to this whole Dwayne issue that the majority who support him and believe that he rows the times he claims, are the ones that feel the need to start name calling and can never add anything constructive in the way of comments<br /><br />I have spent many hours posting information, some of you see it as circumstantial evidence, but what ever “twist” you may think I put on it the evidence is there for all to see. I have not changed or altered any race information, results, anything at all. All this information came from the web and is available to everyone. So what ever you say it can not change the facts about that information, it is there in black and white. Dwayne has never rowed a sub 7 minutes 2000m in a public event, what ever twist me or anyone puts on it the result will still be the same, this applies to everything I have posted as evidence or proof.<br /><br />If you have a 50 piece puzzle, you can put all the pieces together in many different ways, but it will not make a complete picture. There is only one way to make the whole puzzle fit together how it should, that is to have all the pieces in the correct order, this is something that I have yet to do to convince you all, the last piece of the puzzle is just waiting to be put into place.<br /><br />People keep coming on here calling me all the names, threatening to smash me in the mouth, saying I should be banned etc<br />I think the worst I have called anyone was Mark, who I called a village idiot. How do I get through to people with such mentalities who just want to be abusive and aggressive all the time?<br /><br />In a way you are helping my cause. Work with me on this, it is for the good of the sport.<br /><br />

[[old] H_2O]

The poll speaks for itself.<br />We know now how the people feel.<br /><br />Unfortunately so far you have not provided anything that we did not know already.<br /><br />The stroke by stroke splits of his race (where he claimed back problems) are not convincing since this would be like a 6:05 (his PB at the time) rower would start out and might row with back problems.<br /><br />You see first 1:31s and then backing off to 1:33, then back to 1:31 etc. until finally no more attempt to hit 1:31. The back stings you a little and you back off, then you try again and so on.<br /><br />I have had back problems myself.<br />These splits look to me like someone who believes he can keep 1:31 splits and wants to return to these but for some reason can't.<br /><br />But if you already know you can't keep these splits why would you try?<br />I knew that I can't keep 1:31 splits after my first time on the erg.<br />Under the assumption that Dwayne is really a 6:15 or slower rower he surely would have known that too and would not have rowed at all. He could have simply said after his warmnup that the back gave out, no rowing possible. A much better way out if he really can't row near 6:05.<br /><br />No matter what sort of a rower Dwayne is he surely knows wether or not he can keep 1:31 splits.<br /><br />In the unlikely case that for some reason he felt it was a good idea to get on the erg he could have stayed at 1:31 for 10 strokes, then put the handle down and said the back gave out.<br />If you have a back problem it is certainly possible that your back will cut you down suddenly and you won't do another stroke.<br /><br />In fact these splits count more as a proof that he really did believe he could keep a 1:31 average.<br />I count them as proof in his favour.<br /><br />If he really is a fraud then why he would he have travelled with the USIRT at all???<br />There are all sorts of reasons you can put forth why you can't travel (job, illness, family affairs,...)<br />none of which can be discounted.<br /><br />Travelling to a rowing venue overseas when you don't want to row surely is no fun at all.<br />I woud not do it if I get paid for it.<br /><br />The proposition that he was a fraud but travelled to maintain the lie makes no sense at all since the <br />travel is a <b>burden</b> not an opportunity and there are much better ways to get out of the quandary.<br /><br />The notion of a "free ticket to Europe" is humbug.<br />This is not a sightseeing trip.<br /><br />Likewise your idea of offering him a plane ticket to invite him to a race is arrogant and assuming.<br />Why should somebody wish to travel to London?<br />Is this such a special place one might be compelled to travel there?<br />

[[old] hjs]

Case 2: Dwayne is an ordinary fraud.<br /><br /><br /><br />H 20 this It what I said earlier (and thus think) about the race you discrebe. and as I may ad he has appeared public 5 times, so you explanation covers only 1 of them. <br /><br /><br /><br />H20 this is Case 4 : caught in his own web probability high.<br /><br /><br />Dwayne is not a 7.00 rower. Offcause he can row and he also does and he can do it on a very acceptable level. I think he can pull 6.10/6.20 orso. <br />When he first started ranking his times he maybe believed he could become that good in time, he was just beginning and he problably was improving rapid, but offcause the sub 5.50 times were way to quick for him. The reason he went to Europa was that on forhand he thought he could come near his ranked times, and thus accepted the invitation. And as time went by he didn,t know how to withdraw and thought I have to go through and make sure I don,t get cought. He made a plan: I start and stop halfway and say I am injured.<br />And so he did. Offcause you can,t keep doing that over and over again so can never ever appear during a race again. The hole fraude would come on the surface.<br />This is what has happened I think. Haven,t you noticed that Dwayne never ever even talks about erging again but on the other hand dares to challance someone(Andreas) else to race him on water, although that man has never seen a boot is his life! And the same man what's to race him on an erg even if it's on the moon. <br /><br />And about the 546 , If you pull off a pb doing it that way you know that you could do much better. <br />So the 546 done this way means that if well paced he could pull a solid sub 5.40 , Probability : very close to zero.

[[old] Chad Williams]

H 2O<br />What makes your view of Dwayne's row more believable than mine?<br /><br />Dwayne never complained of back pains until getting to 500m into the race. I see what you are saying, but find that as difficult to believe as you do my theory.<br /><br />

[[old] H_2O]

<!--quoteo(post=58418:date=Mar 4 2006, 10:15 AM:name=Chad Williams)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Chad Williams @ Mar 4 2006, 10:15 AM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I see what you are saying, but find that as difficult to believe as you do my theory.<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I agree.<br />There is no believable scenario here.<br />That is exactly the mystery.<br /><br />Nobody has come up with a belivable scenario yet.<br /><br />The 5:46 row with the strategy as described is not believable either.<br />But it is no less believable than every fraud scenario.<br /><br />I can make the following case against the fraud scenario:<br /><br />1. Could have been executed much better: don't travel to races at all.<br />2. No benefits, no believable motive.<br />3. Boring, after several years. You would get bored and simply dissappear.<br /><br /><br /><br /><!--quoteo(post=58412:date=Mar 4 2006, 09:44 AM:name=hjs)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(hjs @ Mar 4 2006, 09:44 AM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>H20 this is Case 4 : caught in his own web probability high.<br /><br />Dwayne is not a 7.00 rower. Offcause he can row and he also does and he can do it on a very acceptable level. I think he can pull 6.10/6.20 orso. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />But then he would also know what he can and can't do.<br />Simply put: if you were in that situation would you get on the erg and take off with 1:31 splits???<br /><br />Here even the most contrived conspiracy theory is as believable as every other scenario including the 5:46 row.<br /><br />That is the true mystery of it all.<br />

[[old] FrancoisA]

<!--quoteo(post=58412:date=Mar 4 2006, 02:44 PM:name=hjs)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(hjs @ Mar 4 2006, 02:44 PM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>And about the 546 , If you pull off a pb doing it that way you know that you could do much better. <br />So the 546 done this way means that if well paced he could pull a solid sub 5.40 , Probability : very close to zero.<br /> </td></tr></table><br />The 5:46 was done at stroke rates varying between 26 and 50 spm, which is quite suboptimal, and it was done without sharpening and tapering. Rowing a 5:46 in those conditions means that He has the potential for rowing sub 5:30. The probability is very close to zero, but that is what WRs are about!<br /><br />Could it be that the truth is in fact what seems the most improbable scenario: that is, Dwayne is an exceptionally gifted athlete that has been extremely unlucky when he raced in public.<br /><br />What I don't understand is why he does not want to commit himself to just one more public race, have his name in the Hall of Fame and clear for ever all this confusion.

[[old] hjs]

<!--quoteo(post=58423:date=Mar 4 2006, 05:07 PM:name=H_2O)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(H_2O @ Mar 4 2006, 05:07 PM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><br /><br />But then he would also know what he can and can't do.<br />Simply put: if you were in that situation would you get on the erg and take off with 1:31 splits???<br /><br />Here even the most contrived conspiracy theory is as believable as every other scenario including the 5:46 row.<br /><br />That is the true mystery of it all.<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />The thing I can think off on this point is this: he was ranked for 6.05. So to make that look possible he took off at that pace. And faked a injuree. <br /><br />The point about his injurees is also not very likely. Why? He rowes very much, all year round, never sick or injureed, and that itself is not so important but he also does a lot off sprinting. See the ctc this feb. very tricky for some one with a bad back. <br />I myself have a bad back. Rowing itself is not so much a probleme but sprinting is a hole other ballpark.

[[old] hjs]

<!--quoteo(post=58427:date=Mar 4 2006, 05:24 PM:name=FrancoisA)--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(FrancoisA @ Mar 4 2006, 05:24 PM) </b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><br /><br />Could it be that the truth is in fact what seems the most improbable scenario: that is, Dwayne is an exceptionally gifted athlete that has been extremely unlucky when he raced in public.<br /><br />What I don't understand is why he does not want to commit himself to just one more public race, have his name in the Hall of Fame and clear for ever all this confusion.<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />5.30 for a 41 year old man? He most be very talented. On other distances he is close to Graham (he claims) and then all off a sudden he would be 14 sec faster than graham on a 2k? That would really be a mirakel.<br /><br />And about that 5.46 , His season pb was above 6.00 And all off a sudden he rows 15 seconds faster? That is a very big differance. Very unlikely for a well trained man. That is simply not the way it works on that level. Only absolute beginners make such leaps.<br /><br /><br />There are a few quistions for my at the moment.<br /><br />1 Why doesn,t he race anymore? as has done before and is very fit and could have won the hammer this year in boston. <br /><br />2 If he chooses not to race, he! he is a free man isn,t he? Why doesnt he simply not say. I don,t race and mabye even tell the reason.<br /><br />3 If someone asks him to race, why not simply say no, I won,t<br />Instead of his ridiculous answer to wanting to race but in a complete other event.<br />This is the same as if the defending Heavyweight boxingchampion would say to a challanger. Ok lets do it but we will not box but judo???????????????????/