Ranger - News To Shock

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-george nz+Jan 31 2006, 01:11 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(george nz @ Jan 31 2006, 01:11 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Just watching a 10sec video clip of Ranger warming up but cant make out the 6 beat drive, suspension or anything surreal in the stroke - in fact I am not sure it is that different to anything else I have seen.<br /><br />He looks fine to me at that stage<br /><br />George </td></tr></table><br /><br />George,<br /><br />Where do you find this video clip?<br />

[[old] johnnybike]

Well I still have confidence Ranger will deliver and I feel sorry for him.<br /><br />I know that if I had built myself up to race, and however nonchanantly he was talking about racing he will have built himself up, then had a 5 hour drive to the race and DNF I would have been sick as h***. All through the 5 hour drive home I would have been telling myself I was never going to race again, not put myself through all the hassle for a DNF.<br /><br />He is probably re-assessing his performance and thinking about what went wrong before he posts. Hopefully it was an injury as that can be resolved relatively easily. <br /><br />I concur with Delilah, I like to see someone who works at it and puts effort in to achieve what he wants. My respect does not just go out to a former WR but anyone in that position whether they be Sub 6, Sub 7 or Sub 8<br /><br />EDITED I have just noticed that my typing of the word h_e_l_l was automatically changed to h***. never noticed that before.

[[old] rspenger]

<!--QuoteBegin-mpukita+Jan 31 2006, 02:25 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(mpukita @ Jan 31 2006, 02:25 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Yes Dougie, but I feel many would push the "ignore" button and move on if that were to happen ... <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I did that long ago. Not because I agreed or disagreed with the messages, but only because I found them to be boring (as well as repetitive) and devoid of useful information.<br /><br />Bob S.

[[old] george nz]

<!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Feb 1 2006, 10:34 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Feb 1 2006, 10:34 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-george nz+Jan 31 2006, 01:11 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(george nz @ Jan 31 2006, 01:11 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Just watching a 10sec video clip of Ranger warming up but cant make out the 6 beat drive, suspension or anything surreal in the stroke - in fact I am not sure it is that different to anything else I have seen.<br /><br />He looks fine to me at that stage<br /><br />George </td></tr></table><br /><br />George,<br /><br />Where do you find this video clip? <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />Sent to me by a friend who was competing at the same event.<br /><br />George

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-FrancoisA+Jan 31 2006, 11:19 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(FrancoisA @ Jan 31 2006, 11:19 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->All the great athletes I have met were self confident, yet humble </td></tr></table><br /><br />Francois,<br /><br />I am glad you have a great coach.<br /><br />Here are some quotations I've found from great runners.<br /><br />"I am afraid of no one. Mamo can race me, but I know I shall beat Mamo. And the others, I don't even know their names. People who want to know the names and the faces are afraid they are going to lose the game. Why should I know the faces of those whom I am going to beat." -- Abebe Bikila<br /><br />Who do you consider your most dangerous rival?<br /><br />"No one. I have to think I am number one. The others are nothing to me. That is the only way to take a stand. I have come here to win." -- Lasse Viren<br /><br />"When I race my mind is always filled with doubts. Who will get second? Who will get third?" -- Nourredine Morceli

[[old] george nz]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Trample the weak. Hurdle the dead.</b><br />Anonymous </td></tr></table> <br />

[[old] FrancoisA]

Here is an interesting excerpt about training attitudes, from the book "The Triathlete's Training Bible" by Joe Friel.<br /><br /><b>Bumblebees and Race Horses</b><br /><br />A few years ago, the story goes, scientists at the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA) developed an interest in the bumblebee. The lab folks reckoned that the little insect held some secrets of flight that may provide answers to questions about operating in space. After all, they asked, how could such small wings produce efficient lift for a relatively large and hairy torso? And how could a round body and flight position that violated many principles of aerodynamics move so effectively through the air? Indeed, there was much to learn from the little hummer.<br /><br />So the scientists set about studying the bumblebee to discover its flying secrets. As scientists always do, they hypothesized about, scrutinized, examined, dissected, measured, timed, filmed, observed, compared, quantified, thought about and debated the bumblebee. After weeks of study they came to one conclusion: Bumblebee are not capable of flight.<br /><br />Fortunately, no one told the bumblebee. The silly insects go right on believing that flight is normal for them despite what the best minds in the scientific world know as fact.<br /><br />We can learn a lot from the bumblebee. The single most critical piece of the multisport puzzle is believing in yourself and your capacity to succeed. "if you think you can or think you can't", automobile manufacturer Henry Ford said, "you're probably right." The bumblebee thinks it can fly. Actually, the thought of anything else never even crosses its tiny mind. It just keeps on flying.<br /><br />Then there's the race horse. Have you ever been to the Kentucky Derby or other big horse race? The physiology of the equine athlete is similar to the human athlete's, and they are trained in much the same manner as a runner. They use heart-rate monitor, train with intervals and endurance, follow a periodization plan and eat a diet designed to enhance performance.<br /><br />Psychologically, race horses differ a great deal from multisport athletes. They never question their training preparation. When it comes time for a workout designed by their trainer, they do it without wondering if it's enough. They don't go out in the morning and put in a few extra junk miles for "insurance." They don't worry and fret after a poor performance. Stable life goes on as usual.<br /><br />On Derby day, race horses are nervous just as human athletes are; they know what is about to happen, but they don't magnify the tension by comparing themselves with other horses ("Look at the legs on that stud!"). Instead, they are very purposeful in their approach to training and racing. There is but one reason for every day existence -- to get faster. If the horse is physically strong and the trainer is smart, this happens.<br /><br />If you are to succeed in multisport, the first thing you must do is believe in yourself just as the bumblebee does. Without this, all of the science in the world won't do any good. Also, if this book is to help, you must have a purposeful, race-horse trust in your training. Continually second-guessing and changing training direction after every race is a sure way to fail.<br /><br /><b>Think like a bumblebee; train like a horse.</b>

[[old] Rocket Roy]

Excellent post Francoise!!

[[old] george nz]

<!--QuoteBegin-Rocket Roy+Feb 1 2006, 09:35 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Rocket Roy @ Feb 1 2006, 09:35 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Excellent post Francoise!! <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />ditto that<br /><br />George

[[old] NavigationHazard]

Although the "bumblebees can't fly" story is apparently an old urban legend from the 1930s, with NASA added to give it a modern update. See <a href='http://www.sciencenews.org/articles/200 ... thtrek.asp' target='_blank'>ScienceNews article on the "Bumblebees Can't Fly" myth.</a><br /><br />It took me about thirty seconds on Google to find a paper authored by a NASA engineer on how and why bumblebee aerodynamics work (they differ from conventional airplane aerodynamics because of scaling...). My guess is that this article -- evidently written for the lay public in rebuttal to the old myth -- somehow has become incorporated <i>into</i> the myth instead.<br /><br />It's a nice Romantic sentiment, this thought that science and athletic ambition somehow are in fundamental opposition. If it works for you, great -- why not dream of great, impossible feats. <br /><br />Myself, I don't see the contradiction. Rather, I try reach for the attainable, using empirical data to set my goals realistically and science to further my training. And unlike the racehorse, whose training is entirely other-directed, I prefer to be intimately involved in deciding what I'm going to do to get there and when/how I'm going to do it. <br /><br />To each their own; let one hundred workout styles bloom, as Mao Zhedong might have put it....

[[old] PaulS]

NavHaz,<br /><br />Why go ruin a good story with facts, we ALL know that Bumblebees can fly, even scientists. <br /><br />Surely the point of the story is valid, it really wasn't a slap at scientists. Good Article reference, I didn't know scientists had the capacity to be so emotionally sensitive. Maybe they should study the existence of a sense of humor in scientists, or would that be a sense of rumor? <br /><br />Cheers.

[[old] Ducatista]

<!--QuoteBegin-FrancoisA+--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(FrancoisA)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><b>Think like a bumblebee; train like a horse.</b> </td></tr></table><br />I favor the <b>float like a butterfly, sting like a bee</b> approach. More the stinging than the floating.

[[old] John Rupp]

A centipede was happy quite,<br />Until the frog in fun said:<br />"Pray tell which leg comes after which?"<br />This raised his mind to such a pitch,<br />he lay distracted in a ditch,<br />considering how to run.

[[old] FrancoisA]

<!--QuoteBegin-NavigationHazard+Feb 1 2006, 10:57 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(NavigationHazard @ Feb 1 2006, 10:57 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Myself, I don't see the contradiction.  Rather, I try reach for the attainable, using empirical data to set my goals realistically and science to further my training.  And unlike the racehorse, whose training is entirely other-directed, I prefer to be intimately involved in deciding what I'm going to do to get there and when/how I'm going to do it.  <br /> </td></tr></table><br />There is no contradiction NH, the point of this little story is to be confident in one's capacity, elaborate a realistic plan and stick with it. I took it out of chapter 2 about attitude. Most of the book is devoted to elaborating a sound training plan based on physiological principles, taking into account the athlete's objectives, background, strengths and weaknesses, as well as time available for training. The author, Joe Friel, states that every workout should has a purpose. BTW, Joe Friel is a highly regarded coach in the worlds of cycling and triathlons, and his books have been highly praised. He is quite scientific and systematic in his approach to training.<br /><br />Happy training!<br /><br />Francois

[[old] Jim Barry]

They found Ranger on the UK board (or so it seems)<br /><br /><br /><a href='http://www.syker.nildram.co.uk/' target='_blank'>http://www.syker.nildram.co.uk/</a> <br /><br />Clip named called ranger. <br /><br /><br />Looks like a lot of length but still appears to be a heave and not a sequence of legs back arms.