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[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->the sport and forums (US & UK) would be better without your constant whining. </td></tr></table><br /><br />All sports are better, in fact, are only sports at all, that respect the most fundamental of all principles in this arena: fair and open competition.<br /><br />What I am "whining" about is the past, present, and continuing lack of fair and open competition in the selection of the USIRT.<br /><br />If this is a self-condemnation, then I am happy to stand condemned.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Of course there's a selection procedure, if there wasn't then no-one would have been selected </td></tr></table><br /><br />An ad hominem selection procedure in competitive sports? <br /><br />Ah. <br /><br />I am to take all of the "guilt" for the "spirit" of the conversations that took place here on the web in 2002-2003?<br /><br />Ah.<br /><br />In-group, out-group nastiness. Pretty arrogant stuff.<br /><br />People in glass houses, throwing very large stones.<br /><br />The way of the world.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Surprise surprise, you dropped through the same grid again. </td></tr></table><br /><br />No I didn't drop through the same grid, Monkey. I decided that I don't want to be subject to such grids, given t that I think they are entirely illegitimate.<br /><br />I decided I don't have any interest of doing official trials whose results have no necessary bearing on selection. I don't have any interest in this now, and I won't have any interest in this in the future.<br /><br />I decided I would rather make a continuing plea for fairness and openness in competitive sports, indoor rowing included.<br /><br />I don't think indoor rowing should be run by a group of insiders who think it is a "family" affair, subject to none of the procedures and principles of sports more generally.<br /><br />If you do, and are happy with it, so be it. No reason to visit this thread.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Monkey:<br /><br />I like your style. </td></tr></table><br /><br />Yes, indeed. There's your company here, Monkey. The general consensus here that market values trump fair and open competition in indoor rowing is a pretty sad one, so sad that it discourages me from participating, I am afraid.<br /><br />My work on technique has now equipped me beautifully to make quick progress rowing OTW in my 1x. I think that will be my focus from now on. <br /><br />The exclusion of competent outsiders by insecure, possessive in-group authorities and loyalties is as old as the hills. I guess this is another successful turf defense.<br /><br />Human nature. Rowing to nowhere.<br /><br />Erg on, guys.<br /><br />I think I'll just stick to my boat from now on. This "venue" isn't worth the trouble.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] R S T]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Dec 2 2005, 10:08 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Dec 2 2005, 10:08 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Monkey:<br /><br />I like your style. </td></tr></table><br /><br />Yes, indeed. There's your company here, Monkey. The general consensus here that market values trump fair and open competition in indoor rowing is a pretty sad one, so sad that it discourages me from participating, I am afraid.<br /><br />My work on technique has now equipped me beautifully to make quick progress rowing OTW in my 1x. I think that will be my focus from now on. <br /><br />The exclusion of competent outsiders by insecure, possessive in-group authorities and loyalties is as old as the hills. I guess this is another successful turf defense.<br /><br />Human nature. Rowing to nowhere.<br /><br />Erg on, guys.<br /><br />I think I'll just stick to my boat from now on. This "venue" isn't worth the trouble.<br /><br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />Ranger - you choose to spend time on the forum - nobody forces you.<br /><br />It would be disappointing if you decided not to focus on your erging, especially as there are many who are anticipating your success (some, failure too I guess) in erg races in the New Year. It would be your chance to prove your case.<br /><br />Can you please clarify your intentions in this regard?<br /><br />Cheers<br />Richard<br /><br />

[[old] johnnybike]

Ranger, why not take the half -way approach. Don't contribute so much to the forum and let your rowing do the talking. <br /><br />When (see I am being positive) you race and deliver a good time, even if not a WR, then I for one will be pleased to congratulate you.<br /><br />It is quite clear that your many posts on C2's attitude wil not change anything and you are not appearing to gain many supporters with your arguments, however well put they are.<br /><br />Just get on with the rowing and race early next year and the best of luck to you<br /><br />John

[[old] monkey]

Hear hear John

[[old] mpukita]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Dec 2 2005, 06:08 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Dec 2 2005, 06:08 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Monkey:<br /><br />I like your style. </td></tr></table><br /><br />Yes, indeed. There's your company here, Monkey. The general consensus here that market values trump fair and open competition in indoor rowing is a pretty sad one, so sad that it discourages me from participating, I am afraid.<br /><br />My work on technique has now equipped me beautifully to make quick progress rowing OTW in my 1x. I think that will be my focus from now on. <br /><br />The exclusion of competent outsiders by insecure, possessive in-group authorities and loyalties is as old as the hills. I guess this is another successful turf defense.<br /><br />Human nature. Rowing to nowhere.<br /><br />Erg on, guys.<br /><br />I think I'll just stick to my boat from now on. This "venue" isn't worth the trouble.<br /><br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Rich:<br /><br />Yes, right, you've got it. Most everyone else here is a moron and you're one of the few courageous, physically accomplished, liberated, intellectual elites (and thank God for that, ehh?). What WOULD the world be without pillars of righteousness like you and your gang? Good gracious, life would hardly be worth living!<br /><br /> <br /><br />I just wanted to translate what you've written here for all of the rest of us uneducated, uninformed, small-minded sods (because, of course, we don't agree with you). <br /><br />Oh yes, we're also the "pedestrians" who DON'T read (at all) or have our very own subscriptions the New York Times.<br /><br />Imagine that!<br /><br /> <br /><br />-- Mark<br /><br />PS - There has GOT to be at least one cause in this world that's more worthy of the investment of your time than this asinine crusade to smear C2 and the USIRT. No?

[[old] FrancoisA]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Dec 2 2005, 07:54 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Dec 2 2005, 07:54 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->To be fair and open about USIRT selection, all C2 needs to do is (1) state explicitly that selection for the USIRT will be based on the quality of the trials rowed, (2) publish the  results of the trials rowed, and (3) provide a short explanation of how decisions about selection were made in instances where there were rows of similar quality in different divisions. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />What I find pretty appalling was that some people resorted to personal attacks, and that we all eluded the validity of the above minimal requirements for a fair selection.<br />Ranger was even called a "jerk" by one prominent member of this forum but, quite stoically, never replied in kind. <br /><br />Ranger, you should set those new WR for two reasons: 1) to prove that your training plan is a valid alternative to the "official" training plan, and 2) to be in a better position to elicit changes by <b>refusing</b> to participate in those USIRT trials until the selection process is fair and open. <br /><br />I have learned a lot from your posts on training, and I agree with your cross-training approach and your anti instant gratification philosophy. I hope you will continue to make contributions on this forum.<br /><br />Best of luck!

[[old] PaulS]

<!--QuoteBegin-FrancoisA+Dec 2 2005, 07:20 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(FrancoisA @ Dec 2 2005, 07:20 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Dec 2 2005, 07:54 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Dec 2 2005, 07:54 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->To be fair and open about USIRT selection, all C2 needs to do is (1) state explicitly that selection for the USIRT will be based on the quality of the trials rowed, (2) publish the  results of the trials rowed, and (3) provide a short explanation of how decisions about selection were made in instances where there were rows of similar quality in different divisions. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />What I find pretty appalling was that some people resorted to personal attacks, and that we all eluded the validity of the above minimal requirements for a fair selection.<br />Ranger was even called a "jerk" by one prominent member of this forum but, quite stoically, never replied in kind. <br /><br />Ranger, you should set those new WR for two reasons: 1) to prove that your training plan is a valid alternative to the "official" training plan, and 2) to be in a better position to elicit changes by <b>refusing</b> to participate in those USIRT trials until the selection process is fair and open. <br /><br />I have learned a lot from your posts on training, and I agree with your cross-training approach and your anti instant gratification philosophy. I hope you will continue to make contributions on this forum.<br /><br />Best of luck! <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />A couple of Frenchmen (SebastienV and AdrienH M2x) are among my favorite rowers, however I had no idea that their countrymen may well possess a fine sense of humor also. <br /><br />Ranger made his bed, and now he has to sleep in it, simple as that. He has also received a lot of useful advice along the way, some of which he chose to take and some of which he did not, that's life.

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-monkey+Dec 1 2005, 03:37 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(monkey @ Dec 1 2005, 03:37 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm sick of you.[right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />A sick monkey... yikes! <br />

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Dec 2 2005, 12:48 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Dec 2 2005, 12:48 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->The only significant causes are lost causes. <br /><br />ranger[right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />Excellent. I like that. <br />

[[old] monkey]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->What I find pretty appalling was that some people resorted to personal attacks, and that we all eluded the validity of the above minimal requirements for a fair selection.<br />Ranger was even called a "jerk" by one prominent member of this forum but, quite stoically, never replied in kind. </td></tr></table><br /><br />You must read a different forum to me, admittedly I don't spend a lot of time over on this one but I'm on the UK one every day.<br /><br />Ranger is well known for vilifying the achievements and training methods of others whenever he's loses grip on a discussion.<br /><br />Its very unlike me to get offensive, those who know me on the UK forum will hopefully vouch for that, but I do see red when Ranger slowly turns every thread into a discussion about him and his inability to accept a decision taken years ago.<br /><br />I have a lot of respect for his acheivements and I hope Ranger carries on erging, I also hope he regains his record for 50-54 before its too late.<br />But not as much as I hope he'll stop taking over threads with his lost (and insignificant) cause.<br />

[[old] monkey]

<!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Dec 2 2005, 05:09 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Dec 2 2005, 05:09 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-monkey+Dec 1 2005, 03:37 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(monkey @ Dec 1 2005, 03:37 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'm sick of you.[right] </td></tr></table><br /><br />A sick monkey... yikes! <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Ahhh, but I feel better already John, for you I fear things may be a little more extensive <br />

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--> He has also received a lot of useful advice along the way, some of which he chose to take and some of which he did not, that's life. </td></tr></table><br /><br />Yes, sometimes, if you want to get better in a sport, it is good to take advice.<br /><br />So far, the rowing advice I didn't take got me three world record rows.<br /><br />The rowing advice I did take is still to be tested. I think it was good advice, and I have taken it seriously; but whether the advice wil be effective is still unclear.<br /><br />So it stands.<br /><br />The business with the USIRT is not about sports. That's the problem. That's what this thread has been about.<br /><br />I have no interest in taking any advice about this.<br /><br />ranger<br /><br />