Us Team At Eirc -- Stroke Graphs

[old] NavigationHazard · Post by **[old] NavigationHazard** » December 5th, 2005, 1:27 pm

Stroke graphs are now available for the US team at the EIRCs in Copenhagen. Here are the women: <img src='http://www.concept2.co.uk/euro/graphs20 ... peters.png' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> Libby Peters, Gold U23 LWW Splits 1:47.7 1:49.9 1:52.1 1:53.2 -- 7:22.8 (1:50.7) <img src='http://www.concept2.co.uk/euro/graphs20 ... dstedt.png' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> Katrina Lunstedt, Silver 30-39 HWW Splits 1:46.9 1:47.7 1:47.5 1:45.7 -- 7:07.8 (1:47.0) <img src='http://www.concept2.co.uk/euro/graphs20 ... _gress.png' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> Karen Gress, Gold 40-49 LWW Splits 1:52.1 1:50.9 1:52.7 1:54.3 -- 7:29.9 (1:54.3) <img src='http://www.concept2.co.uk/euro/graphs20 ... latzer.png' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> Veronika Platzer, Bronze 40-49 HWW* Splits 1:48.0 1:47.8 1:48.9 1:50.7 -- 7:15.4 (1:48.9) * Nice coat!! Where'd you get it? <img src='http://www.concept2.co.uk/euro/graphs20 ... n_blom.png' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> Joan Van Blom, Gold 50-59 LWW Splits 1:51.8 1:51.5 1:52.1 1:50.6 -- 7:26.1 (1:51.5) <img src='http://www.concept2.co.uk/euro/graphs20 ... _mills.png' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> Luanne Mills, Silver 60-69 LWW Splits 1:59.6 2:00.7 2:02.1 2:02.6 -- 8:05.0 (2:01.3)

[old] NavigationHazard · Post by **[old] NavigationHazard** » December 5th, 2005, 1:37 pm

And here are the men: <img src='http://www.concept2.co.uk/euro/graphs20 ... n_shor.png' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> Roman Shor -- Gold, JR18 MHW Splits 1:26.8 1:29.2 1:31.7 1:30.5 -- 5:58.2 (1:29.6) <img src='http://www.concept2.co.uk/euro/graphs20 ... k._jr..png' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> Robert Meenk Jr. -- Gold, 40-49 MLW Splits 1:36.3 1:37.1 1:37.4 1:36.3 -- 6:27.1 (1:38.3) <img src='http://www.concept2.co.uk/euro/graphs20 ... iebach.png' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> Paul Siebach -- Silver, 40-49 MLW Splits 1:36.4 1:37.4 1:37.4 1:40.2 -- 6:31.4 (1:40.2) <img src='http://www.concept2.co.uk/euro/graphs20 ... n_bone.png' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> Jonathan Bone -- Gold, 50-59 MHW Splits 1:34.2 1:36.3 1:35.9 1:34.9 -- 6:21.2 (1:35.3) <img src='http://www.concept2.co.uk/euro/graphs20 ... stings.png' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> Dennis Hastings, Silver 50-59 MLW (55-59 WR) Splits 1:40.6 1:40.4 1:40.3 1:39.5 -- 6:40.8 (1:40.2) <img src='http://www.concept2.co.uk/euro/graphs20 ... tellan.png' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> James Castellan -- Gold, 60-69 MHW Splits 1:37.7 1:38.2 1:38.6 1:39.1 -- 6:33.7 (1:38.4) <img src='http://www.concept2.co.uk/euro/graphs20 ... penger.png' border='0' alt='user posted image' /> Bob Spenger -- Gold, 80-89 MLW Splits 2:02.6 2:02.1 2:01.0 1:59.8 -- 8:05.6 (1:59.8) (WR, 80-84 MLW)

[old] Bayko · Post by **[old] Bayko** » December 5th, 2005, 1:57 pm

Great showing! 8 Gold 4 Sliver 1 Bronze Well done. Congratulations to all. Rick

[old] arakawa · Post by **[old] arakawa** » December 5th, 2005, 3:06 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(Bayko @ Dec 5 2005, 12:57 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Great showing! 8 Gold 4 Sliver 1 Bronze Well done. Congratulations to all.[right] </td></tr></table> If I'm not mistaken, Bob Spenger's 8:05.6 is a new world record for 80+ Men's lightweight (according to <a href='http://www.concept2.com/almanac/get_al_records.asp' target='_blank'>C2's all-time records</a> and <a href='http://www.concept2.co.uk/wirc/records.php' target='_blank'>C2's UK site</a>, the old 2k record was 8:13.8 set at the CRASH-B in 2002). Bob's time is also only 2.1 seconds off the 80+ Men's heavyweight world record (8:03.5).

[old] dadams · Post by **[old] dadams** » December 5th, 2005, 3:51 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(Bayko @ Dec 5 2005, 12:57 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Great showing! 8 Gold 4 Sliver 1 Bronze Well done. Congratulations to all. Rick </td></tr></table> Ditto from me. Way to go folks!! Dwayne

[old] NavigationHazard · Post by **[old] NavigationHazard** » December 5th, 2005, 4:23 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(arakawa @ Dec 5 2005, 02:06 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(Bayko @ Dec 5 2005, 12:57 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Great showing! 8 Gold 4 Sliver 1 Bronze Well done. Congratulations to all.[right] </td></tr></table> If I'm not mistaken, Bob Spenger's 8:05.6 is a new world record for 80+ Men's lightweight (according to <a href='http://www.concept2.com/almanac/get_al_records.asp' target='_blank'>C2's all-time records</a> and <a href='http://www.concept2.co.uk/wirc/records.php' target='_blank'>C2's UK site</a>, the old 2k record was 8:13.8 set at the CRASH-B in 2002). Bob's time is also only 2.1 seconds off the 80+ Men's heavyweight world record (8:03.5). </td></tr></table> You are correct. Bob did indeed break the LW WR and very nearly the HW one. Even more incredibly, he broke the 1k record too while waiting for stragglers (me) to arrive in Copenhagen. Apparently he'd gone over to the local rowing club, which we were using for pre-race acclimation workouts, and felt frisky enough to let Dennis Hastings cox him through an attempt. Bob's an amazing rower, as well as a top-class sportsman and all-round nice guy. Not many people can break TWO records in about as many days....

[old] michaelb · Post by **[old] michaelb** » December 5th, 2005, 5:13 pm

Great job Team. I am struck by how different the stroke graphs are for these top competitors. Some seem to fade steadily to the end, others have large humps of slower paces. Most striking to me though is the increase in SR down the stretch, sometimes resulting in an increase in speed and sometimes not. Only some of the graphs suggest the person is in total control. Being relatively slow, I am not a world class athlete, and may be a bit lazy to boot. But I try to be in more control of my pace/SR during the race. Is this just the normal variation in how elite rowers race? Were some of these performances not according to plan? There is another thread about how to pace a 2k, but from this example you could conclude that anything is possible, and that any pacing, or no pacing, might work great too.

[old] ehagberg · Post by **[old] ehagberg** » December 5th, 2005, 11:37 pm

12 members of the team and they won 13 medals? Oh, wait there were 13 people on the team when they arrived in Europe, but only 12 listed here: <a href='http://www.concept2.com/05/training/com ... team05.asp' target='_blank'>http://www.concept2.com/05/training/com ... sp</a>. Curious. Still, I agree that it was a great showing!

[old] rspenger · Post by **[old] rspenger** » December 5th, 2005, 11:40 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(NavigationHazard @ Dec 5 2005, 01:23 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> You are correct. Bob did indeed break the LW WR and very nearly the HW one. Even more incredibly, he broke the 1k record too while waiting for stragglers (me) to arrive in Copenhagen. Apparently he'd gone over to the local rowing club, which we were using for pre-race acclimation workouts, and felt frisky enough to let Dennis Hastings cox him through an attempt. Bob's an amazing rower, as well as a top-class sportsman and all-round nice guy. Not many people can break TWO records in about as many days.... </td></tr></table> In defense of Dennish, I have to respond to this to make a correction. The 1k attempt, though successful, was foolish, selfish, and childish. I take full responsibility for doing something that was not in the best interest of the team, i.e. going all out for an unofficial record, just a couple of days before the real thing. It was when I tried to do another one, a 500m, a few minutes later, that Dennish came over and reminded me of my responsibility to the team - to save my strength for Saturday when I would need it for the race that really counted. I was about 30 seconds into that 500m when I heard Dennish call out. "Bob! Bob! No! Save it for the day after tomorrow." Then I came to my senses and took the pace up from the low 1:50s to the mid 2:00s to finish out the piece. I guess that I was just feeling too frisky - just like the Saturday before I left. Xeno had given me a game plan for a bit of taper and I was following that, dropping the 3k from the Dev Squad Saturday protocol. But I had done a double warmup, my own usual 15' and the D.S. 10' with the 5 short sprints built in. When I started the 2k part of the regular workout, I got carried away and did a time trial, knocking 11 seconds off my previous personal best here at Big Pine. This was NOT what Xeno had recommended and I apologize to him for not sticking with his sound advice. Bob S.

[old] rspenger · Post by **[old] rspenger** » December 6th, 2005, 12:13 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(michaelb @ Dec 5 2005, 02:13 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Great job Team. I am struck by how different the stroke graphs are for these top competitors. Some seem to fade steadily to the end, others have large humps of slower paces. Most striking to me though is the increase in SR down the stretch, sometimes resulting in an increase in speed and sometimes not. Only some of the graphs suggest the person is in total control. Being relatively slow, I am not a world class athlete, and may be a bit lazy to boot. But I try to be in more control of my pace/SR during the race. Is this just the normal variation in how elite rowers race? Were some of these performances not according to plan? There is another thread about how to pace a 2k, but from this example you could conclude that anything is possible, and that any pacing, or no pacing, might work great too. </td></tr></table> Michael, A couple of the team members are relative novices, in spite of their good results. Roman is only 17 and has the potential to make some substantial improvement. Katrina has been erging less than a year. She was an active athlete before that, but still it takes some time to reach full potential in a new activity. Jonathon is also relatively new at it and could probably go sub 6 if he cleaned up his act i.e. had some coaching on his technique. In my own case, I can't claim to be a novice to rowing in general, but, until August this year, I had never seriously trained on the erg and, except for one hour at Xeno's, I have never been coached on it. My times here at home vary all over the place and I have had no real chance to learn what my pacing should be at sea level. Jim has plenty of experience, but he was not at his best. He was quite ill that evening and had not had nearly enough sleep in the two weeks before the meet. It is not surprising that he faded at the end. Fortunately, he held together well enough to win his event. Bob S.

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