New World Record For Lightweight Men

[[old] alexroma60]

<!--QuoteBegin-Rocket Roy+May 2 2005, 10:59 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Rocket Roy @ May 2 2005, 10:59 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Hey Alex, well done on youur row and being the Italian Champion.<br /><br /> I wish my Italian was as good as your English.<br /><br />Rich, so you think 2.33 is poor for a FM by a lwt???? I think it's a bloody good effort and congrats to the new world record holder!<br /><br />If you can do better get over there and do it. Simple really. <br /> </td></tr></table>Hey Roy that's all right? Thank you for compliments. In the june i row another marathon and i will try an new italian record. I think 2.33 for a FM by a lwt it's an incredible time !!!????. Congratulation for your time it's very good. By Alex<br />500m 1.31 1km. 1.13.7 2km. 6.45.9 5km. 17.49.4 10km. 36.33.9 1/2 marathon 1.19.24 marathon 2.51.08

[[old] holm188]

<!--QuoteBegin-alexroma60+May 5 2005, 05:03 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(alexroma60 @ May 5 2005, 05:03 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->500m 1.31  1km.<b> 1.13.7</b>  2km. 6.45.9  5km. 17.49.4  10km. 36.33.9  1/2 marathon 1.19.24  marathon 2.51.08  <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />pretty fast 1k!!!!!

[[old] alexroma60]

<!--QuoteBegin-holm188+May 6 2005, 02:33 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(holm188 @ May 6 2005, 02:33 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-alexroma60+May 5 2005, 05:03 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(alexroma60 @ May 5 2005, 05:03 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->500m 1.31  1km.<b> 1.13.7</b>  2km. 6.45.9  5km. 17.49.4  10km. 36.33.9   1/2 marathon 1.19.24   marathon 2.51.08   <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />pretty fast 1k!!!!! <br /> </td></tr></table>Sorry Holm my time is 3.13.7 for a 1K. By Alex <br />

[[old] ranger]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Rich, so you think 2.33 is poor for a FM by a lwt???? I think it's a bloody good effort and congrats to the new world record holder! </td></tr></table><br /><br />"Poor" was never in the mix. I said that someone who can row 1:40 pace for an hour, which at least one lightweight can, could probably row under 1:49 pace for a marathon. I can only row 1:48 pace for an hour, at least to this point. So, sure, rowing 1:49 pace for a marathon would be pretty hard for me, if not impossible.<br /><br />If and when I row 17K (about 1:46 pace) for an hour, my chances of rowing 1:49 pace for a marathon go up considerably.<br /><br />Eskild rows 18K for an hour.<br /><br />ranger

[[old] John Rupp]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+Apr 13 2005, 12:58 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ Apr 13 2005, 12:58 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->When my new stroke is finally developed as it should be, I think I will row 2:35. <br /><br />With my new stroke, I can't row much of a marathon at all (at the moment).<br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />

[[old] thojon]

<!--QuoteBegin-ranger+May 9 2005, 09:45 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ranger @ May 9 2005, 09:45 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Rich, so you think 2.33 is poor for a FM by a lwt???? I think it's a bloody good effort and congrats to the new world record holder! </td></tr></table><br /><br />"Poor" was never in the mix. I said that someone who can row 1:40 pace for an hour, which at least one lightweight can, could probably row under 1:49 pace for a marathon. I can only row 1:48 pace for an hour, at least to this point. So, sure, rowing 1:49 pace for a marathon would be pretty hard for me, if not impossible.<br /><br />If and when I row 17K (about 1:46 pace) for an hour, my chances of rowing 1:49 pace for a marathon go up considerably.<br /><br />Eskild rows 18K for an hour.<br /><br />ranger <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Now you've got one of the problems. The metabolism changes significantly after about one hour. The fraction of fat burning increases. This needs more oxygen and you can't hold the pace. <br /><br />Many people (even professionals) doing a marathon run give up after 35 km. Only 7 km before finishing. This sounds trivial, but it is not. You can not calculate the full marathon time basing on the 1h or even on the 2k time.<br /><br />Another problem is the rest time. When you do a full marathon you have to drink (and maybe eat) a couple of times. This also desreases the average during a marathon, but not significantly during a 1h row.<br /><br />One example is Xeno Muller, actually one of the strongest rowers in the world. I do not know his best 2k time, but I am sure he can do under 5:45. His 42k time is 2:30 and it was "the hardest piece of his career"(he wrote on his home page). This is "only" 1:46,8 (or below 290 Watts, which is more meaningful). <br /><br />Another example: My best 2k time is only 6:05. This is much worse than xeno can do. But my best marathon is 2:25:47 (1:43,7 or 314 Watts). This is more than Xeno can do. I am a long distance specialist, holding for example the 24h record in a boat (268k in a coxed pair). By the way, last year I did my first ironman triathlon in 9:41 -- and I made many mistakes.<br /><br />Looking at these facts, 2:33 is a good time, even for a lightweight. I was present at a C2 marathon competition (2002 in Franfurt, Germany) where a lightweight (member of the German national team, 2k in 6:17 in the same year) did the marathon in 2:40. In the end he had cramps, it was very hard for him to finish hte las kilometer. In the same competition I did 2:30 although I was not stronger than him at the 2k in that year and although I had a very hard race only one week before (60 k in a single skull).<br /><br />Think about it, Ranger!!<br /><br />Thorsten

[[old] nkoffler]

Thorsten-<br /><br />Not to comment on your other points but Xeno's 2K and marathon bear clarification. As a on-the-water champion, Xeno did not focus on PB times on the erg. Only recently has he started rowing some of the longer pieces for time. He did erg a 5:52 2K in 2004 at Long Beach. As for that marathon, I believe he was drinking only water which he deemed a big mistake in retrospect. Of course, these time are terrific by any standard but they may not respresent his best.<br /><br />Also, I think Xeno would point out that on the water success doesn't necessarily translate to erg success. <br /><br />Neil<br />M/LW/US/38

[[old] ehagberg]

You mean people actually take breaks and re-hydrate and eat sometimes during their erg marathons?<br /><br />Maybe there should be a rule against that, too... I'm sure in some cases people are being handed their drinks and food, which certainly seems to mean they are getting outside help (in addition to the extra food and water they ingest).<br /><br />Why not add this as another rule for top-3 rankings:<br /><br />- no outside help (ie, no extra water or food once the piece is started).<br /><br />It would certainly make sure that outside factors like what's in the water or food aren't contributing or detracting from the performance of the athlete - they bring themselves to the erg and do what they can while there, while adding nothing to what they've brought to begin with.

[[old] Canoeist]

Runners drink during their running marathons. It is common practice. The runners are supposed to pick up their own drinks and drink while running, if they can. They aren't supposed to get any outside help.<br /><br />I drink during my erg marathons. I place my sports bottles on the floor next to the erg before my row. I have to slow down a little to pick up the bottle and take a drink, but I don't have any outside help.<br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />Paul Flack

[[old] Canoeist]

Thojon, thanks for your insights about rowing a marathon.<br /><br />I am a bit surprised that a person who can pull a 6:17 2K would have difficulty rowing a marathon under 2:40. It might have to do with experience and pace as well as the amount of body fat. I am a heavyweight (96 Kg) but have very low body fat. My 2K times were around 6:25 when I was rowing marathons around 2:35.<br /><br />I suspect Xeno will do better at his second erg marathon. Much is learned about pace, rehydrating, etc. during the first marathon.<br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />Paul Flack

[[old] thojon]

<!--QuoteBegin-nkoffler+May 27 2005, 04:41 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(nkoffler @ May 27 2005, 04:41 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Thorsten-<br /><br />Not to comment on your other points but Xeno's 2K and marathon bear clarification.  As a on-the-water champion, Xeno did not focus on PB times on the erg.  Only recently has he started rowing some of the longer pieces for time.  He did erg a 5:52 2K in 2004 at Long Beach.  As for that marathon, I believe he was drinking only water which he deemed a big mistake in retrospect.  Of course, these time are terrific by any standard but they may not respresent his best.<br /><br />Also, I think Xeno would point out that on the water success doesn't necessarily translate to erg success. <br /><br />Neil<br />M/LW/US/38 <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Neil<br />I completely agree with you. I am foremost on-the-water-rower, too. I was national champion in coxed pair (2k) 8 years ago, but my speciality is long distance for many years. Nevertheless, I am sure that a rower like Xeno would be able to do a better time. But that would need a heavy preparation.<br />Thorsten

[[old] thojon]

<!--QuoteBegin-ehagberg+May 27 2005, 08:02 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(ehagberg @ May 27 2005, 08:02 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->You mean people actually take breaks and re-hydrate and eat sometimes during their erg marathons?<br /><br />Maybe there should be a rule against that, too... I'm sure in some cases people are being handed their drinks and food, which certainly seems to mean they are getting outside help (in addition to the extra food and water they ingest).<br /><br />Why not add this as another rule for top-3 rankings:<br /><br />- no outside help (ie, no extra water or food once the piece is started).<br /><br />It would certainly make sure that outside factors like what's in the water or food aren't contributing or detracting from the performance of the athlete - they bring themselves to the erg and do what they can while there, while adding nothing to what they've brought to begin with. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Of course you have to drink during a marathon (running or rowing). It would be very unhealthy not to drink. You need bottle(s) besides your erg, but the time is running while drinking.

[[old] ancho]

Thorsten:<br />Congrats for your outstanding marathon time!!<br />You are from Bonn? What was your club?<br />My uncle used to row in the Rhenus, and they also did weird things as the 24-hour-rows, "blaues Fähnchen", and so on.<br />Your butt must be made of steel!! <br />I agree with your theory that if you are good in 2k it doesn't mean you have to be good in marathon, marathon has a whole other meaning.<br />But quite often, it works the other way round: my time in 2k is not exceptional, nor is my marathon time! <br /><br />Have a good row!

[[old] ancho]

ehaberg:<br />Have you ever rowed a marathon?<br />If you have done it under your selfimposed conditions, congratulations!<br />If not, and you feel so, try to row one under the rules proposed by yourself. Perhaps you'll save some time by not stopping to drink...<br />The time range for ranked marathons in 2005 went from about two and a half hours for the elite marathon ergers, to far miore than 4 hours for us normal mortals. Just finishing a marathon under any circumstances already is a huge achievement. Maintaining the tremendous effort without drinking is exposing oneself to non foreseeable physical consequences.<br />Don't forget, although it may sound strange, that we are just erging for the fun of it, and not because some sort of punishment.<br />BTW: is breathing air also an "outside help"?<br />What about having a stop to pee, is this a break? <br />And moving your butt if it hurts?<br />Maybe there also should be a rule against his, and we should stick our a** to the seat until the meter nr 42195 is finished?<br />COME ON, get back to the real world!!<br />

[[old] thojon]

<!--QuoteBegin-Canoeist+May 30 2005, 01:17 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Canoeist @ May 30 2005, 01:17 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Thojon, thanks for your insights about rowing a marathon.<br /><br />I am a bit surprised that a person who can pull a 6:17 2K would have difficulty rowing a marathon under 2:40.  It might have to do with experience and pace as well as the amount of body fat.  I am a heavyweight (96 Kg) but have very low body fat.  My 2K times were around 6:25 when I was rowing marathons around 2:35.<br /><br />I suspect Xeno will do better at his second erg marathon.  Much is learned about pace, rehydrating, etc. during the first marathon.<br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />Paul Flack <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Paul,<br /><br />I agree with you: I am sure that Xeno can do a marathon much below 2:30. But it needs much experience and preparation. The guy (6:17min/2:40h in 2002) was a 20 year old lightweight 2k-on-the-water-rower. He had low body fat, but also low experience with long dintance row. <br /><br />I am also sure that you could do a much better 2k time than 6:25, if you prepare to that distance. Maybe you only (or at least foremost) exercise long distance rowing?<br /><br />Thorsten