Patently Insulting Posts

[old] Thomas · Post by **[old] Thomas** » January 6th, 2005, 1:30 am

I was looking at Rodland's reply and Ranger's reply and find that Roland's advice is right on the money. It is really good advice for anyone who might have suffered a mental block or is looking to culminate there season with a big race like the WIRC. It is a good idea to do some local, smaller races as a confidence builder and to help identify problems that are not forseeable in training. Why wait until the moment of the big race to discover you are not ready? My reply is more in line with maybe he does this because of this. Be it driven by stage fright, popularity, or unpreparedness, has resulted in the re-invention of something that does not to be re-invented. If you say something a number of times, eventually you might believe it yourself. Perception is reality.

[old] Coach Gus · Post by **[old] Coach Gus** » January 6th, 2005, 1:54 am

Do I even bother? It's like a car wreck. I don't really want to see anybody hurt, but I can't help looking. I haven't voted, but the "crap" Thomas has said doesn't seem any worse than some of the crap that's been tossed back and forth by PaulS and John Rupp, Ranger and Mike Caviston, or myself and everyone who disagrees with me. What would the speculation be if the former world record holder in another sport showed up at a competition and decided not participate? He/she wasn't hurt or sick. They just decided to watch the competition. Would we not wonder why? Would we be even more likely to question their motivation if they are particularly public about themselves and their acheivements? Many of us, who would race virtually no matter what, would think there's something not quite right about giving up without trying. Should Ranger be given some exemption to this type of discussion for some reason?

[old] Thomas · Post by **[old] Thomas** » January 6th, 2005, 3:30 am

I don't think a person needs to qualify as a world record holder to receive the amount of constructive criticism Ranger receives. I think if any person made themselves out to be a particular way, showed up to race, and quit before they started, how could they not recieve some sort of helpful comments in getting them back on their feet. Maybe we all are trying to provide Ranger with the proper motivation in being the rower he would like to see in himself. I don't understand how Mike Caviston keeps getting dragged in with Ranger. There is no need to bring in Mike Caviston. I like Mike because I think he has contributed alot to the rowing community. After I could get through the sea of women hanging around him at the WIRC who were thanking him for The Wolverine Plan, I met him and I can say without a doubt I am a better person for knowing him.

[old] John Rupp · Post by **[old] John Rupp** » January 6th, 2005, 3:37 am

Thomas.... i.e., Mike Caviston..... attacking Ranger.... better person.... uh hmmm i see now. Btw, hey Gus what are you talking about..... My messages are much more informative than those of PaulS.

[old] monkey · Post by **[old] monkey** » January 6th, 2005, 4:17 am

I can't believe this is being dragged up again almost two months after the event. The topic of Ranger not rowing at Birc was discussed to exhaustion on both the UK (when it worked! ) and US forum just after the event and should be buried now. I and others criticised Ranger for not rowing but in retrospect it was totally his decision and we should respect it. I wouldn't have done it but I've never won a medal (yet) so wouldn't have turned down a Birc gold for anything. I know a lot of people were dissapointed not to see him perform but I'm sure everyones over it now and besides, I got to finish 5th instead of 6th The time to discuss it was just after the event, to bring it up again now is just being malicious. As for the poll, is this a forum or a kindergarden? As for Mike Caviston, I agree that he's has made an enormous contribution to the sport but I've never been able to understand the animosity shown by him towards Ranger, correct me if I'm wrong but I understand the two have met only very briefly if at all and Mike's attitude is based purely on Ranger's posts and training methods, certainly not on his achievements. For someone with such an influence in the sport and the US team selection I think this attitude is unfair and irresponsible.

[old] grandslam · Post by **[old] grandslam** » January 6th, 2005, 4:48 am

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (John Rupp @ Jan 6 2005, 12:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>My messages are much more informative than those of PaulS.  </td></tr></table> That's funny, I've never seen a Rupp post with ANY useful information. When did you post it? However, I have found Paul's posts to be well thought out even if I don't agree with everything he says. Pity there isn't some sort of turd filter for all the crap that tries to float in so many of these threads . . . Carry on . . . Jeff Sauter

[old] Xavier · Post by **[old] Xavier** » January 6th, 2005, 5:02 am

A poll? Like the (un)popular kid in the playground who gets everyone to put their hands up if they like him, while someone else gets made fun of? Bloody hell. Xav

[old] dadams · Post by **[old] dadams** » January 6th, 2005, 10:01 am

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (grandslam @ Jan 6 2005, 03:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (John Rupp @ Jan 6 2005, 12:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>My messages are much more informative than those of PaulS.  </td></tr></table> That's funny, I've never seen a Rupp post with ANY useful information. When did you post it? Carry on . . . Jeff Sauter  </td></tr></table> Doh!!!!

[old] PaulS · Post by **[old] PaulS** » January 6th, 2005, 10:22 am

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (grandslam @ Jan 6 2005, 12:48 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> </div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (John Rupp @ Jan 6 2005, 12:37 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>My messages are much more informative than those of PaulS.  </td></tr></table> That's funny, I've never seen a Rupp post with ANY useful information. When did you post it? However, I have found Paul's posts to be well thought out even if I don't agree with everything he says. Pity there isn't some sort of turd filter for all the crap that tries to float in so many of these threads . . . Carry on . . . Jeff Sauter  </td></tr></table> Jeff, I'd have to agree with John here, as he used the word "informative", NOT "useful", and his posts are always very "informative". Informative =! Accurate, for those of you in "Coach Gus Land"... Sorry CG, but you threw down the gaunlet by making nonsequitor comparisons. Erg on.

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » January 10th, 2005, 7:03 am

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE </td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>If you say something a number of times, eventually you might believe it yourself. Perception is reality. </td></tr></table> Thomas-- So you say--about yourself. My reply was this: To accomplish anything significant, like break a world record three times in a row, as I have done, you can cannot do such things. You have to be able to look the beast in the mouth every day and see straight. You can't be lying to yourself about things. I am (now) aware that you don't know these things. I responded to Roland as I did because I thought that he was like me and different from you. I thought he knew these things. Hard to believe, but it appears that he doesn't know these things, either. ranger

[old] Thomas · Post by **[old] Thomas** » January 11th, 2005, 7:21 pm

I am not talking about world records. I am talking about BIRC 2004. You looked the beast in the mouth and went and sat down in Lower Tier, Section 6, Row 3, Seat 1. Take your own advice stop lying to yourself about things.

[old] gw1 · Post by **[old] gw1** » January 11th, 2005, 9:19 pm

Thomas, As a much as this thread seems to be "beating a dead horse". Firstly, is there something positive that will benefit the C2 rowing community at large, that you are trying to achieve? Secondly, how do your accomplishments stack up compared to Ranger's? Respectfully, Gary

[old] Dead Horse · Post by **[old] Dead Horse** » January 11th, 2005, 11:29 pm

Hi, please stop beating me, I died about 10 posts ago

[old] gw1 · Post by **[old] gw1** » January 12th, 2005, 12:01 am

Good one!

[old] Rocket Roy · Post by **[old] Rocket Roy** » January 13th, 2005, 8:04 am

That's the whole point (I think) Thomas, Ranger at Birc, looked the beast in the mouth and realized it wasn't the right time to go into battle. Fair play to the guy, he isn't interested in easy Gold medals only world records/pb's in a competition. He could have rowed one handed and taken gold at birc.

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