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[old] Sir Pirate · Post by **[old] Sir Pirate** » June 3rd, 2004, 6:10 am

I was just wondering if the U.S Indoor Racing Team will be coming to the B.I.R.C (British Indoor Rowing Championships) in England in November or will they be going to the European Championships in Amsterdam being held during the month of December. Or is it the case that they will be doing both / neither. Would be interested to know? Sir Pirate

[old] concept2 · Post by **[old] concept2** » June 3rd, 2004, 2:35 pm

we're planning on bringing a team to Amsterdam this year - currently putting the finishing touches on qualifying times and the like. I'll post more along with application info in a day or so. Hope to see you all there! This year we'll be doing a journalist race/relay - i'm most likely going to be pulling 1000m along with Mike Teti and others - however i'm not sure if i'll wear the unitard yet... -bp

[old] Rocket Roy · Post by **[old] Rocket Roy** » June 8th, 2004, 3:00 pm

Why does Concept2 seem to Boycott the BIRC ? In size, I'd say it was almost as big as the Boston Bash, in quality I'd say it was the best in the world outside of Boston. So why go to Amsterdam and not the BIRC?

[old] Rocket Roy · Post by **[old] Rocket Roy** » June 8th, 2004, 3:02 pm

You guys surely want the strongest test's so why not go where all the top guys and gals will be?

[old] dadams · Post by **[old] dadams** » June 8th, 2004, 3:04 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (Rocket Roy @ Jun 8 2004, 02:00 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> Why does Concept2 seem to Boycott the BIRC ? In size, I'd say it was almost as big as the Boston Bash, in quality I'd say it was the best in the world outside of Boston. So why go to Amsterdam and not the BIRC?  </td></tr></table> I can't speak for C2, obviously, but I would say EIRC gives them more bang for their buck. Just a guess though. Dwayne

[old] RobertB · Post by **[old] RobertB** » June 8th, 2004, 3:26 pm

We're not "boycotting" anything. The decision was made by the USIRA to support indoor racing all through Europe by attending the annual European Indoor Championships that would rotate through all of the major European indoor regattas. This year it will be Amsterdam. Next year? I don't know. Possibly Rome. We don't have the budget to attend more than one race per year. Never fear, Birmingham's number will come up again! Be patient. RobertB Team Manager United States Indoor Rowing Team

[old] Bayko · Post by **[old] Bayko** » June 8th, 2004, 3:32 pm

The jayvees went on their own last year and went 3 for 3 in their pursuit of medals. Surely that's gotta count for something. No boycotting here. We love you guys. Rick

[old] Rogus · Post by **[old] Rogus** » June 8th, 2004, 4:59 pm

How is the USIRT chosen and what are the benefits of being on it?

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » June 8th, 2004, 5:06 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (Bayko @ Jun 8 2004, 02:32 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>The jayvees went on their own last year and went 3 for 3 in their pursuit of medals. Surely that's gotta count for something. No boycotting here. We love you guys. Rick </td></tr></table> This USIRT jayvee had a great time at BIRC 2003. BIRC 2004 has become a must! ranger

[old] Sir Pirate · Post by **[old] Sir Pirate** » June 8th, 2004, 5:52 pm

Will we be seeing you at BIRC this year Ranger? I hope so. Sir Pirate

[old] ranger · Post by **[old] ranger** » June 10th, 2004, 5:12 am

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (Rogus @ Jun 8 2004, 03:59 PM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>How is the USIRT chosen? </td></tr></table> Good question, Rogus, but not one that is going to get a substantial answer. Robertb is in charge of the selection and this selection is entirely up to him. The qualifying times just identify a pool of applicants. These qualifying times are very tough standards, but even so, a rower who meets his time or even exceeds it by a wide margin is not guaranteed a spot on the team. Even relative achievement, in the end, is irrelevant. A complicated array of considerations (balance among men and women, lightweights and heavyweights, younger age groups and older age groups, etc.) seems to go into the section of the 12 rowers who finally make the team. ranger

[old] Rogus · Post by **[old] Rogus** » June 10th, 2004, 2:19 pm

Ranger, Thanks for the info. I didn't realize the team was set at 12. Would have expected it to be one Hwt and Lwt for each age category. It also sounds pretty subjective as to how the 12 are chosen. Does anyone know when the selections are made? I've been targeting the '05 CRASH-Bs but am wondering if posting a fast enough 2k time on the rankings could mean one might be considered for the '04 team? Or, do you have to have some venue racing times established?

[old] Janice · Post by **[old] Janice** » June 10th, 2004, 2:25 pm

Rogus, I recall there being a thread about this on the old message board so you may want to do a search through the archived messages, or do a Google search for "USIRT".

[old] Rogus · Post by **[old] Rogus** » June 10th, 2004, 2:36 pm

</div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td class='genmed'>QUOTE (Janice @ Jun 10 2004, 11:25 AM)</td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> Rogus, I recall there being a thread about this on the old message board so you may want to do a search through the archived messages, or do a Google search for "USIRT".  </td></tr></table> Thanks for the suggestion Janice. Found that the C2 site now has info about the 2004 USIRT on it at <a href='http://www.conceptii.com/rowing/racing/ ... mintro.asp' target='_blank'>http://www.conceptii.com/rowing/racing/ ... tro.asp</a>.

[old] Ralph Earle · Post by **[old] Ralph Earle** » June 10th, 2004, 9:03 pm

It appears the 2004 USIRT qualifying times are primarily based on the winning times at CRASH-B (=World Indoor Rowing Championships). Here's a table of how many EIRC, BIRC and C2 Ranking times last season were equal to or faster than the 2004 USIRT QTs: Group USIRT QT EIRC BIRC Rankings WOMEN 16-__ HWT 7:34 _ 1 13 17-18 HWT 6:59 _ 0 6 19-22 HWT 6:41 0 0 1 19-22 LWT 7:15 0 1 3 23-29 HWT 6:40 2 0 2 23-29 LWT 7:04 0 0 0 30-39 HWT 7:02 0 0 3 30-39 LWT 7:20 1 1 4 40-49 HWT 6:59 0 0 1 40-49 LWT 7:30 0 0 2 50-59 HWT 7:08 0 1 1 50-59 LWT 7:27 0 0 1 60-69 HWT 7:49 0 0 1 60-69 LWT 8:08 0 0 2 70-79 HWT 8:49 _ 0 0 70-79 LWT 9:00 _ _ 1 Total--------------3-4-41 MEN 16-__ HWT 6:05 _ 0 0 17-18 HWT 6:04 0 0 1 19-22 HWT 5:45 0 0 2 19-22 LWT 6:20 0 0 9 23-29 HWT 5:43 0 0 0 23-29 LWT 6:08 0 0 0 30-39 HWT 5:52 0 0 4 30-39 LWT 6:17 1 0 4 40-49 HWT 6:03 0 0 1 40-49 LWT 6:23 0 0 1 50-59 HWT 6:16 0 0 1 50-59 LWT 6:30 0 1 1 60-69 HWT 6:26 0 0 1 60-69 LWT 7:09 2 1 6 70-79 HWT 7:17 _ 0 1 70-79 LWT 7:26 _ 0 1 80-89 HWT 8:35 _ 1 1 80-89 LWT 8:53 _ 1 1 Total--------------3-4-34 When top competitors don't show up in Boston, using the CRASH-B results creates some "soft" spots. Among the women, last season thirteen(!) 16-year-olds beat this year's QT, as did six 17-18 year olds. And a total of seven women 30-39 would have qualified in the two weight classes combined. Among the men, nine 19-22 lightweights would have qualified, as would six in the 60-69 group. And eight men 30-39 would have qualified in the two weight classes combined. A fairer way would be to use the second-fastest gold medal time last year among EIRC, BIRC and CRASH-B. (Using the fastest of the three would effectively eliminate an entire age-group when a WR is set.)

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