Muscles Pumped Up ?

[[old] trevor reznik]

Hello....anyone out there ?<br />If there are people who have used the Dyno, I have this question for them:<br />How can you compare the Dyno to conventional weighttraining ?<br />For example: do you get the same feeling when your muscles get fatigued, and can you get a pump, like you do when exhausting untill failure with weights.<br />In other words: can you use the Dyno to build up muscles ?<br />Greetings from da Lowlands.

[[old] PaulS]

Isokinetic exercies are only limited in their ability to provide a pump and burn by your ability to push yourself. Machines like the Dyno (Or Erg for that matter) do not have any inherent resistance, but have the ability to provide as much reistance as you can stand.<br /><br />Short answer: Yes<br /><br />Qualifier: The Dyno just doesn't provide a very wide selection of exercises, especially since I'd not use the "seated Row" to any great extent. Any time that I have put a lot of pressure on that station, it feels like a rib fracture is likely.

[[old] Canoeist]

<!--QuoteBegin-PaulS+Apr 29 2005, 05:19 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(PaulS @ Apr 29 2005, 05:19 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->I'd not use the "seated Row" to any great extent.  Any time that I have put a lot of pressure on that station, it feels like a rib fracture is likely. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />The Dyno is a much better machine for doing rows than what I used to do with free weights. We had a board that we would lay on and pull weights up to the board. Not only did we add our own weight to the pressure on our ribs, but if you "dropped" the weights quickly, there was a shock on the ribs when the arms became fully extended. Fortunately, I never heard of anyone breaking any ribs from using our rowing machine. I can only pull 200 pounds on the Dyno arm pull. With free weighs, I am sure that the pressure on the ribs was well over 300 pounds.<br /><br />Trevor - the Dyno can build up muscles the same as with free weights. You can push the muscles to exhaustion. The big difference with the Dyno is that you don't need a spotter to remove 100Kgs off your chest when you fail on the last bench press. The Dyno is a much safer machine that free weights. You will never "drop" the weights on your chest from fatigue. But, you can still push the muscles to fatigue.<br /><br />Another plus to the Dyno is that you can push the muscles to fatigue at all parts of the muscle's range. With free weights, you can only pick up as much weight as the weakest part of the the muscle's range allows. (When your arms are severely bent, you can't push as hard as when they are almost straight.)<br /><br />If you are living in the UK, there are several gyms (leisure centers?) that have Dynos for you to try. See if the Concept UK web site has a link to the gyms that have Dynos.<br /><br />Cheers,<br /><br />Paul Flack

[[old] FrancoisA]

Hi everyone,<br />I have some related questions regarding the Dyno. <br /><br />1) Is it possible to do explosive leg press on the Dyno. That is, to mimic plyometric jumps without the stress of landing (which is painful to my knees) ?<br /><br />2) Can you do high frequency leg press, say 30 leg press per minute, and consequently achieve a high heart rate ?<br /><br />Thanks.

[[old] Canoeist]

You can put maximum muscle output into all parts of the muscle range with the Dyno. This should be similar to "explosive jumps". After the leg drive, there is no pressure on the legs or joints when using the Dyno. You don't have to worry about the "landing".<br /><br />When I do fast reps on the Dyno, such as 100 reps, I do one every 4 seconds. That is 15 per minute. I think that it would be fairly east to up the rate to one every 3 seconds, or 20 reps per minute. If I tried to up the rate to one every 2 seconds, or 30 reps per minute, I think that the stroke would tend to get shorter than full stroke. But, the machine can do it if you really want do do 30 per minute. The machine can take all you can give, plus a lot more!<br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />Paul Flack

[[old] tditmar]

I don't think Concept 2 puts out enough information on the Dyno. I could not find all the exercises it performs on the C2 website. I found it on another website where they sell it for $1999. <br /><br />Still, even that website does not give you an idea of what sort of equipment this could replace or how it complements the erg, if in fact that is what it does. Is the idea that it is working out the opposite muscles? I guess the only way it is doing that is with the press. The other two exercises seem similar to what you already do on the erg.<br /><br />Am I right in thinking for someone more overall health and physically conscious, who wants a well rounded fitness, you would want something that works out muscles the erg does not? Is that the Dyno? I am wondering if you had a pull-up bar and dip station, dyno, erg, dumbbells, and jump rope, could I give up my Olympic Barbells? I mean, I know I can, but I am wondering what other opinions are. The reason I would think of doing this is more than any other piece of equipment, the barbells and bumper plates take up a lot of space in an awkward sort of way. You have scattered pieces of equipment, whereas the erg and dyno are more like a piece of furniture. It just gets to be sort of a space/aesthetic issue in the condo.

[[old] FrancoisA]

Paul,<br /><br />Thanks for the information; I am sold!<br />Now, I just have to convince my wife that the Dyno would be perfect for my birthday!<br /><br />Regards,

[[old] Canoeist]

I think that the Dyno was developed to improve the strength of the muscles used in rowing - the leg press and the arm row. The arm press was added because most of the parts were already on the machine.<br /><br />The arm press is nice since it balances out the muscles used in rowing.<br /><br />As far as the three exercises go, I like the arm press the best compared to weight lifting. My elbows don't hurt as much from straining when in the weakest range of the arm muscles, and I don't worry about getting "stuck" under a bunch of weights when at the end of a set. (I exercise alone.)<br /><br />Cheers,<br /><br />Paul Flack

[[old] akit110]

<!--QuoteBegin-tditmar+May 3 2005, 12:21 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(tditmar @ May 3 2005, 12:21 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Am I right in thinking for someone more overall health and physically conscious, who wants a well rounded fitness, you would want something that works out muscles the erg does not? Is that the Dyno? I am wondering if you had a pull-up bar and dip station, dyno, erg, dumbbells, and jump rope, could I give up my Olympic Barbells? I mean, I know I can, but I am wondering what other opinions are. The reason I would think of doing this is more than any other piece of equipment, the barbells and bumper plates take up a lot of space in an awkward sort of way. You have scattered pieces of equipment, whereas the erg and dyno are more like a piece of furniture. It just gets to be sort of a space/aesthetic issue in the condo. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I think you could comfortably give up the Olympic barbells and weights for dumbbells unless you were doing heavy Olympic lifts like the snatch and the clean and jerk. Personally, I live in an apartment in a big city and have always used 3 main pieces of equipment - a pull-up bar ("the Door Gym"), a foldable dip bar ("www.therack.org"), and two adjustable dumbbells that weigh 65lbs each. I have found this to be a remarkably flexible, space efficient and inexpensive system. The weaknesses is that I can't hit the legs with really heavy weights so I have to be creative to work them thoroughly. <br /><br />The Dyno is a great piece of equipment for a boathouse, in my opinion but I think it's a bit limited in the choice of exercises for the size and weight of the machine for home use. If I was really committed to getting a machine for the home for general strength training rather than rowing specific strength training, I would probably look into something like a Bowflex.

[[old] Canoeist]

If you live in an apartment, the heavy Olympic barbells is the way to go so that you can meet your neighbors downstairs. Drop them a few times from chest height during a midnight workout and your bound to get their attention! <br /><br />I agree that the Dyno takes up a fair bit of space and probably wouldn't be the best choice of exercise equipment for an apartment dweller. You only use the Dyno for short periods of time. If you have to choose between the erg and the Dyno, the erg is the best choice since it is used for much more time per day.<br /><br />Regards,<br /><br />Paul Flack

[[old] John &#39;SugarBoy&#39; Foy]

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