Asthma - Do I Need To Change My Training?

[[old] bmoore]

<!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Oct 6 2005, 09:21 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Oct 6 2005, 09:21 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Bill Moore,<br /><br />You are once again grossly incorrect.<br /><br />I have helped MANY many people to get rid of breathing problems.<br /><br />Is there any reason that I should "prove" that or provide any additional evidence to you?<br /><br />Absolutely NOT.<br /><br />Apparently you didn't pick up on my comment about pearls.  <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Congratulations on helping so many people with asthma. It appears my assumption was wrong. Since that is the case, please provide a link to the method you used to help. I saw your earlier link, but only briefly looked at it. Was that the only site that had this technique? This asthma diagnosis I received a few months ago is a pain, especially since I moved to Boston and will be spending so much time working out indoors in the winter. If there's something to this, then I'd like to get the facts and conduct my own experiment of one.

[[old] John Rupp]

What link did I post?<br /><br />I don't have any saved but could look around and find some.

[[old] bmoore]

<!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Oct 6 2005, 10:25 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Oct 6 2005, 10:25 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->What link did I post?<br /><br />I don't have any saved but could look around and find some. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Here's what you put on the first page of this thread:<br /><br />"A few years ago I found some Buteyko links where a similar method is employed to get rid of asthma. To find these, look up "buteyko" and "breathing" on google. Other helpful links are to look up "diving" and "breathing". "<br /><br />I'll re-look at this after my workout...<br /><br />

[[old] Porkchop]

<!--QuoteBegin-Porkchop+Oct 6 2005, 06:23 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Porkchop @ Oct 6 2005, 06:23 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-afolpe+Oct 6 2005, 04:15 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(afolpe @ Oct 6 2005, 04:15 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->John's information is such patent idiocy that I'm not quite sure why I'm even bothering to entry the fray here but, in the interest of clarity:<br /><br />Gas exchange, including oxygen and carbon dioxide, occurs in the alveolar spaces. Mucous is produced in the bronchioles, bronchi and trachea. There is no mucous in the alveolar spaces, and there is no gas exchange in the bronchioles, bronchi or trachea. Mucous has lots of interesting functions, principally protective, but assisting in dealing with "carbon dioxide buffers" is not one of them.<br /><br />I might also point out, as a surgical pathologist, that asthma has rather distinct pathologic features, which we can observe under a microscope, and which are most definitely not simply psychosomatic or purely in the imagination of greedy pulmonologists and pharmaceutical representatives.<br /><br />John: Please go back to giving erroneous information about rowing, and leave the medical stuff alone. <br /><br />Andrew <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Well, Andrew, I don't know whether a medical degree and professional knowledge would be persuasive in this particular case, but it is a valiant attempt on your part. You may, however, be tilting at windmills (or windbags, as the case may be). In any event, thank you for joining the discussion. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Clearly not persuasive, still valiant, definitely windmills/bags. Thanks again.

[[old] John Rupp]

I have a bunch of links on older browsers, but it might be just as easy to find new ones.

[[old] John Rupp]

Bill,<br /><br />I just now plugged "buteyko breathing buffer" into google and here is the first link that came up.<br /><br /><a href='http://www.nqnet.com/buteyko/what_is_buteyko.html' target='_blank'>http://www.nqnet.com/buteyko/what_is_bu ... tml</a><br /><br />"If you adopt a breathing pattern which causes you to release more carbon dioxide than you produce, the level in your lungs will drop. If it drops too far, the level of carbonic acid will be altered, and so the pH will also change. Even a slight change in your pH is usually fatal.<br /><br />"<b>To help prevent the loss of carbon dioxide to a fatally low level, the body has developed certain defensive mechanisms. These include spasms of the airpipes and bloodpipes, and the increased production of mucus.</b>"

[[old] John Rupp]

Excellent explanation!<br /><br />"The harder you try to breathe deeply during an asthma attack, the more your airpipe will constrict."<br /><br />Yes this is exactly what happens.

[[old] John Rupp]

This is good too:<br /><br />"shows you how to gently condition the section of your brain that is sensitive to carbon dioxide to get used to higher levels of carbon dioxide in your lungs!"<br /><br />This is why conditioning yourself to hold your breath longer, is beneficial to relieve asthma.<br /><br />In general, asthmatics are not able to hold their breath very long.

[[old] mallard]

Point taken. <br /><br /><!--QuoteBegin-Porkchop+Oct 6 2005, 06:16 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Porkchop @ Oct 6 2005, 06:16 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-mallard+Oct 6 2005, 07:21 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(mallard @ Oct 6 2005, 07:21 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Guys, Guys, Guys ......... !!!!!<br /><br />As the person who started this thread I feel qualified to but in at this point and say thank you for all of your comments.  I would like to think that I am well educated, intelligent and have enough common sense to take on board comments such as John's without immediately adopting suggestions without further investigation.  I have not yet had a chance to look into the breathing techniques mentioned, but by coincidence had wondered recently about the effect of holding ones breath on tight breathing.  I was holding my breath to try and stop hiccups the other day, and the first breath I took after releasing was a lovely deep one and I just started to wonder why.  I shall certainly be looking into this further, but not without seeking medical advice too.  Chill out!       <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Your point is well-taken as to your own personal situation. <br /><br />The problem is that once a question is asked on these forums, the answers are available to anyone who opens the thread. The only advice that is "personal" is advice dispensed in a private message. If it is dispensed in a public forum it becomes "general" and may be picked up and followed by anyone who reads it. Your exposure to medical knowledge is, I suspect, much greater than most people's. No one intended to insult your intelligence or your education. Nevertheless, we have some very young participants on these forums (high school students, perhaps some even younger) who may not have the same sophistication as you. You are lucky to have a second opinion right in the family. Most people don't, and they are the ones to whom I directed my warning.<br /><br />There can much more to asthma than simple spasmodic constriction of the bronchial tubes -- in some cases, for example, it also triggers massive spontaneous flows of mucus in the lungs as a consequence of histamine overproduction being triggered by allergens. No amount of "breathholding" will do anything to change that. <br /><br />Granted that some asthma can be cause by the things John Rupp lists and that in some cases, the solutions he proposes may work. The problem is that John assumes (erroneously) that all asthma is just like what he dealt with as a five-year-old child. He then dismisses all drug treatments for asthma, equating users of inhalers or other asthma medications to drug addicts ("druggies" is presumably a pejorative term). That conclusion is rooted in sheer ignorance. I for one have never heard of a leukotriene inhibitor addict, and although I am no expert, I can't imagine that anyone else has either. <br /> </td></tr></table><br />

[[old] Bayko]

<!--QuoteBegin-John Rupp+Oct 7 2005, 01:18 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(John Rupp @ Oct 7 2005, 01:18 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Andrew,<br /><br />I used to have fallacious opinions, for example that there might be some small bit of honesty or integrity in the medical fraternity.<br /><br />But alas there doesn't seem to be any so I have let go of that fallacy long ago.<br /><br />Also, you didn't "prove" anything, except that you like to stroke your own ego but really, Andrew, that is kind of self serving isn't it. <br /><br />When is the last time you cured anyone from asthma without drugs? <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />John, <br /><br />I noticed in another thread that you are waiting to get in to see a dentist for a painful tooth. I'm shocked, given that you don't believe that <i>"there might be some small bit of honesty or integrity in the medical fraternity."</i><br /><br />Gosh, I hope that you survive.<br /><br />Rick