Fall Series 2k H3 - Results

[old] michaelb · Post by **[old] michaelb** » December 5th, 2005, 6:09 pm

Very funny. I was thinking Pirate could do an 8k in about 30 minutes after his marathon. Having done two marathons myself, I will pay you the dollar not to have row that extra 8k.

[old] FrankJ · Post by **[old] FrankJ** » December 5th, 2005, 8:58 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(holm188 @ Dec 5 2005, 10:38 AM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I had a brief race master experience in the 2k early heat. Also there many people signed up (I think up to 6) and we finally raced with 2. The non-turtle rower do not matter if they are there or not, but I also had a non-show turtle. For a 2k or 1k where the warm-up need to be quite intensive (for me at least) it would be nice just to stick with the program!! Solutions? some ideas: - use the closed race feature in RowPro (not sure how it works in detail); the race master probably has to add the allowed rowers, so there is some control. - rower who did not do any earlier HC race would start withe the "regular" first starter (this does not work for the first HC race of course). - round start times to 5, 10, 15, 20, 30 seconds depending on the distance instead of to the second, this would make the math easier. - switch around the race master duty more so that not the same are always stuck with it . - check with Pete to have some handicap feature in V2 of RowPro!!! </td></tr></table> Go to work for a day and there are already too many post to respond to each one. Let me respond to a Holm's post as he makes several good points. Last one first. I have requested that Pete consider adding a handicap race feature into V2. It would be great if you could sign up for a race enter your PB/SB and let the race server and RP on your PC decide exactly when you should start. I would not expect the feature to be there day one with V2 but maybe... Switching the race master duty makes it easier for everyone except the coordinator/ score keeper who would be dealing with more new race masters. This may be easier if we had more automated tools to make scoring and data collecting easier and more consistent. There are so many nuances to the handicap. The Fast group ran with no delay essentially turning it into a straight race. I've had other rowers ask for less of a delay than their handicap requires and those that have asked for more of a delay. It can all be very confusing when trying to score some of these races. Rounded start times are not really needed as the spreadsheet actually makes the math easy. To me it is more the aggravation of broadcasting out the info just before the race. Make late starters go with the turtle only solves one problem. Then there is the issue of a fast rower with no delay going way out ahead. How does a rower in the back figure out what time to row to catch that rower. Might as well make it a straight race. Using the closed race feature might work but I think we need an easy and consistent way to contact race masters. It is fairly easy to send messages to someone in this forum which might work. Send your race master the pertinent info at least the day before your race. Doesn't seem like too much to ask. Another thought I had is to set up a web site just for racers. We could use it collect the info we need to run races then have a data base with race results and individual stats. It would take some effort to set it up but this could be a nice long term solution. As for a Winter series, Mark I'll send you a copy of my spreadsheet. Frank

[old] mpukita · Post by **[old] mpukita** » December 5th, 2005, 10:53 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(FrankJ @ Dec 5 2005, 08:58 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'> As for a Winter series, Mark I'll send you a copy of my spreadsheet. Frank </td></tr></table> I get the message Frank. You have to remember that I did say I'd race even if no score were kept! Frank, everyone owes you a big thanks for making this happen. From what I can see, you've helped get a whole bunch of new people racing ... and they're coming back for more, training harder, setting PBs, and generally having a great time while getting fitter. That's a marvelous thing to take credit for, and you should. Heck, I've lost 20 pounds since I first started racing with this crew -- and my PB has gone from well over 8:00 to under 7:30, with real room for improvement that I feel confident about. Hooray for Frank! Regards -- Mark

[old] jfisher · Post by **[old] jfisher** » December 6th, 2005, 8:50 pm

I'm out of commission for a few days and look what happens! I like the idea of a winter series sometime later in the winter. A last chance to get a good PB in before things start heating up again. Frank, as to your point about the databased solution - I was actually starting some preliminary work on that. Once my life gets a little back to normal again, I'll let you know what I come up with. Jeff

[old] holm188 · Post by **[old] holm188** » December 9th, 2005, 5:20 am

We could have a race "administrator" (to differentiate from the race master). The RA would not race but manage the hanidicaps before the start, then the RM who is racing can fully concentrate on the race and just has to start it. This involves an additional person, but it might be possible to do it for the handicaps of the series. I would be able to do it for several races as I'm usually working from home. Another thought for future series: if doing the straight race first, it would set a reference time for the handicap to follow a week later. That way rowers with no PB/SB or with an outdated one (too fast or too slow) could get a valid time. Also there is room for some tactics: do I try to get full points in the straight race or hold back a little to get more handicap points? Just some ideas... Cheers, Holm

[old] FrankJ · Post by **[old] FrankJ** » December 9th, 2005, 1:10 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(jfisher @ Dec 7 2005, 12:50 AM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I'm out of commission for a few days and look what happens! I like the idea of a winter series sometime later in the winter. A last chance to get a good PB in before things start heating up again. Frank, as to your point about the databased solution - I was actually starting some preliminary work on that. Once my life gets a little back to normal again, I'll let you know what I come up with. Jeff </td></tr></table> Jeff, Since my database is just a faint dream at this time it probably wouldn't hurt for each of us to work a bit on design and then get together before actually doing any serious coding. As for a winter series I have 2 priorities once the fall series ends. That is the CRASH-Bs and a marathon in late March or April. Depends on how ambitious I feel after Christmas as to whether I'm up to administering another series or not but I would definitely help out if someone wanted to do the admin work.

[old] FrankJ · Post by **[old] FrankJ** » December 9th, 2005, 1:23 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(holm188 @ Dec 9 2005, 09:20 AM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>We could have a race "administrator" (to differentiate from the race master). The RA would not race but manage the hanidicaps before the start, then the RM who is racing can fully concentrate on the race and just has to start it. This involves an additional person, but it might be possible to do it for the handicaps of the series. I would be able to do it for several races as I'm usually working from home. Another thought for future series: if doing the straight race first, it would set a reference time for the handicap to follow a week later. That way rowers with no PB/SB or with an outdated one (too fast or too slow) could get a valid time. Also there is room for some tactics: do I try to get full points in the straight race or hold back a little to get more handicap points? Just some ideas... Cheers, Holm </td></tr></table> Holm, I like the idea of race administrators for the handicap races. This would allow the race master to just worry about starting the race. As you point out the real issue would be scheduling the additional person but there is no reason that the race administrator couldn't also be a participant in the race. Just another way to spread out the work a bit more. Swapping the handicap and straight races would insure a current PB/SB but what I like about the current order is that I have a chance to rehearse during the handicap race so I can go all out in the straight race. Still it might be worth a try just to see how it goes. Frank

[old] mpukita · Post by **[old] mpukita** » December 9th, 2005, 2:10 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(FrankJ @ Dec 5 2005, 08:58 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>I have requested that Pete consider adding a handicap race feature into V2. It would be great if you could sign up for a race enter your PB/SB and let the race server and RP on your PC decide exactly when you should start. I would not expect the feature to be there day one with V2 but maybe... </td></tr></table> Frank: This sparked another idea. Maybe Pete could develop a "relay race" functionality into Row Pro. This way, you could have teams of 4 each race 2K. Put the teams together based on somewhat comparable PB/SB times, and you could have some stunningly competitive straight races. Better yet if you could pick number of legs, distances, distance by leg, etc. There could be a myriad of combinations, including pyramid relays, etc. Your PM3 would essentially say "ROW!" when the team member before you finished. Now that would be pretty slick ... and possibly not a huge coding effort to achieve (says he who never codes). Would also add some team camaraderie to a fairly "individual performer" sport. -- Mark PS - Now you're all going to tell me that a zillion people have already suggested this, right?

[old] FrankJ · Post by **[old] FrankJ** » December 9th, 2005, 3:52 pm

<table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'>QUOTE(mpukita @ Dec 9 2005, 06:10 PM)</div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'>Frank: This sparked another idea. Maybe Pete could develop a "relay race" functionality into Row Pro. This way, you could have teams of 4 each race 2K. Put the teams together based on somewhat comparable PB/SB times, and you could have some stunningly competitive straight races. Better yet if you could pick number of legs, distances, distance by leg, etc. There could be a myriad of combinations, including pyramid relays, etc. Your PM3 would essentially say "ROW!" when the team member before you finished. Now that would be pretty slick ... and possibly not a huge coding effort to achieve (says he who never codes). Would also add some team camaraderie to a fairly "individual performer" sport. -- Mark PS - Now you're all going to tell me that a zillion people have already suggested this, right? </td></tr></table> Mark, Only half a zillion! Actually sound like a good idea. Just be sure you let Pete know in case he doesn't see this forum entry. Frank

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