Team Row Pain, Row Gain

[[old] deppe4]

<!--QuoteBegin-cnapier+Nov 1 2005, 08:12 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(cnapier @ Nov 1 2005, 08:12 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><!--QuoteBegin-Sleepy_Floyd+Nov 1 2005, 05:49 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Sleepy_Floyd @ Nov 1 2005, 05:49 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Nov 1st - MY total meters rowed:  410,498   <br /><br />-SF <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Whoa, that's a lot of meters for one day... <br /><br />Not sure I can match that.<br /><br />But keeping in the nature of the group I'll say 56 pounds lost, 40 to go...<br /><br />Charles<br />(yes I have entered Onederland)<br /><br />254/198/158 <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />I won't be able to row for a coule of weeks - got hit by another driver, and feeling quite stiff.<br /><br />-deppe4

[[old] Meri Goehring]

-deppe4 <br />[/quote]<br />Sorry to hear that deppe4. Treat yourself to a sauna/hot-tub and massage! I'm off rowing until my groin pain calms down, but agumenting with stair-stepper/eliptical, lots of abdominal work. Hope we can both get back to rowing soon! (I believe I'm near you on the team )

[[old] deppe4]

[quote=Meri Goehring,Nov 2 2005, 01:43 PM]<br />-deppe4 <br />[/quote]<br />Sorry to hear that deppe4. Treat yourself to a sauna/hot-tub and massage! I'm off rowing until my groin pain calms down, but agumenting with stair-stepper/eliptical, lots of abdominal work. Hope we can both get back to rowing soon! (I believe I'm near you on the team ) <br />[/quote]<br />Meri,<br /><br />I think there's only one other rower between me and you I hope you get to feeling better soon also. The neck isn't as stiff as it was, now if my back would just relax <br /><br />-deppe

[[old] jacqwin]

Hi there, I have decided to add my metres to this team to try and keep myself motivated. I try and row most evenings after work depending on what time the bus gets me home. At the moment I usually do 5K 5 or 6 times a week but am going to try and up the distance to aim for 10K by the end of the month. I need to loose at least 25lbs and would like to loose another 12 - 16 inches.<br /><br />jacqui in uk

[[old] code_monkey]

<!--QuoteBegin-jacqwin+Nov 6 2005, 08:22 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(jacqwin @ Nov 6 2005, 08:22 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Hi there, I have decided to add my metres to this team to try and keep myself motivated.  I try and row most evenings after work depending on what time the bus gets me home.  At the moment I usually do 5K 5 or 6 times a week but am going to try and up the distance to aim for 10K by the end of the month.  I need to loose at least 25lbs and would like to loose another 12 - 16 inches.<br /><br />jacqui in uk <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />Welcome aboard, jacqui.<br />All meters are good meters...<br /><br />-jason

[[old] Bostonwnb]

Hi!<br /><br />Dropped another few pounds over the last 10 days with a mix of running (60 miles total) and erging (20 minutes most days); now down to 169 lbs. from starting weight of 175. Goal is to be at or just below 160 by mid Jan 2006. So far so good.<br /><br />I've just read "The Paleo Diet for Athletes' (Cordain & Friel) and it contains some controversial views about 'diet' in the broader sense, specifically about the nutritional value (or lack thereof) of many of the foods athletes consider to be 'de rigeur' in a healthy diet. For example, it poses the question as to why the USDA ... "places grains at the food pyramid's base, if the goal is an adequate intake of vitamins and minerals?" 85% of the grains we eat (in the US) are highly refined and the refining process strips this nutrient-poor food group even further of vitamins and minerals.<br /><br />From top to bottom, the most nutritious food groups rank as follows: fresh vegetables, seafood, lean meats, fresh fruits, whole grains and milk, and nuts & seeds.<br /><br />I do not agree with everything the authors have to say, but their theories (much of which co-author Joe Friel has applied in practice with many successful athletes) are thought-provoking, to say the least.<br /><br />Oh yes, and there's some good stuff about losing weight as well; they essentially agree that losing weight and a heavy training schedule are conflicting goals. You need to stay optimally nourished when your body is under stress, in order to recover properly. However by making some sensible food choices you can cut out a lot of 'junk' calories. Consume less low nutrient value carbs from sugar, pasta, grains, bread, etc. and more high nutritient value carbs from fresh vegetables and fruits, as well as adequate essential proteins from seafood and lean meats.<br /><br /><br />Bert<br />

[[old] Steelhead]

<!--QuoteBegin-Bostonwnb+Nov 6 2005, 12:25 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Bostonwnb @ Nov 6 2005, 12:25 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Hi!<br /><br />Dropped another few pounds over the last 10 days with a mix of running (60 miles total) and erging (20 minutes most days); now down to 169 lbs. from starting weight of 175.  Goal is to be at or just below 160 by mid Jan 2006.  So far so good.<br /><br />I've just read "The Paleo Diet for Athletes' (Cordain & Friel) and it contains some controversial views about 'diet' in the broader sense, specifically about the nutritional value (or lack thereof) of many of the foods athletes consider to be 'de rigeur' in a healthy diet. For example, it poses the question as to why the USDA ... "places grains at the food pyramid's base, if the goal is an adequate intake of vitamins and minerals?" 85% of the grains we eat (in the US) are highly refined and the refining process strips this nutrient-poor food group even further of vitamins and minerals.<br /><br />From top to bottom, the most nutritious food groups rank as follows: fresh vegetables, seafood, lean meats, fresh fruits, whole grains and milk, and nuts & seeds.<br /><br />I do not agree with everything the authors have to say, but their theories (much of which co-author Joe Friel has applied in practice with many successful athletes) are thought-provoking, to say the least.<br /><br />Oh yes, and there's some good stuff about losing weight as well; they essentially agree that losing weight and a heavy training schedule are conflicting goals. You need to stay optimally nourished when your body is under stress, in order to recover properly. However by making some sensible food choices you can cut out a lot of 'junk' calories.  Consume less low nutrient value carbs from sugar, pasta, grains, bread, etc. and more high nutritient value carbs from fresh vegetables and fruits, as well as adequate essential proteins from seafood and lean meats.<br /><br /><br />Bert <br /> </td></tr></table><br />Here's the new food pyramid: <a href='http://makinghealthychoices.info/Nutr/i ... DRH500.gif' target='_blank'>http://makinghealthychoices.info/Nutr/i ... gif</a><br />or <a href='http://www.altered-states.net/barry/new ... yramid.jpg' target='_blank'>http://www.altered-states.net/barry/new ... mid.jpg</a> This probably relates to the diet you are talking about.<br />The USDA is finally figuring it out: <a href='http://www.mypyramid.gov/' target='_blank'>http://www.mypyramid.gov/</a> or <a href='http://www.mypyramid.gov/pyramid/index.html' target='_blank'>http://www.mypyramid.gov/pyramid/index.html</a>

[[old] cnapier]

Hey Mike,<br /><br />Been awhile since I've seen you post here.<br /><br />How's the training going for your upcoming walk up that little hill? (I am envious btw took a look at some panoramas of the trek and they are stunning!)<br /><br />I've been following your meters and it appears your new team is not providing the motivation you seem to have had with RPRG, come back to dark side...<br /><br />Getting real close to claiming victory in our race to the 3 million mark. <br /><br />And in the spirit of this board, how's the weight loss coming? I'm in a plateau state hovering at the 197-199 range, but still seem to be getting more defined.<br /><br />Take care,<br /><br />Charles

[[old] Steelhead]

<!--QuoteBegin-cnapier+Nov 9 2005, 05:38 AM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(cnapier @ Nov 9 2005, 05:38 AM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Hey Mike,<br /><br />Been awhile since I've seen you post here.<br /><br />How's the training going for your upcoming walk up that little hill? (I am envious btw took a look at some panoramas of the trek and they are stunning!)<br /><br />I've been following your meters and it appears your new team is not providing the motivation you seem to have had with RPRG, come back to dark side...<br /><br />Getting real close to claiming victory in our race to the 3 million mark.  <br /><br />And in the spirit of this board, how's the weight loss coming? I'm in a plateau state hovering at the 197-199 range, but still seem to be getting more defined.<br /><br />Take care,<br /><br />Charles <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />Charles,<br /><br />I'm not on any team at this point. <br /><br />I was just reviewing the itinerary of my Tibet Trip to do the North Face of Mt. Everest and thinking about not being able to breathe at 23,000 feet -- which of course motivates me to keep working on losing weight. I don't know if you have ever hiked above 18,000 feet but it is not a fun time -- for me anyway -- still it is a challenge.<br /><br />I just got back from a week trip on the Grande Ronde River in Oregon doing some fly-fishing for Summer Steelhead -- great fun. And, of course, I'm still traveling a lot.<br /><br />Once I joined WW and got some training on portion control, I have lost a lot of weight. Yesterday, I put in another 15K on the erg and today I'll do 20K or so along with weight lifting, etc. I'm focusing on using Concept 2's stamina and strength increasing program which is less meters rowed but more intensive to work on my endurance: e.g., <br /><br />Tom Terhaar's Very, Very Tough Workout<br />5x5 minutes, (90 seconds rest). Rest 7-8 minutes, then repeat another set of 5. <br />Rates: 24/26/28/26/24. Pace is just slower than 6,000m test pace (the rate 28 is at 6,000m pace). "It's very, very tough and when you finish it you feel like you've done a really hard workout. And it's self-regulating - with only 90 seconds rest you realise you've got to keep a lid on it." <br /><br />So, I'm no longer focused on the number of metres rowed but the difficulty and pain; this means that I can't think in terms of metres rowed but in terms of an increase in strength, endurance, and stamina -- although I do need to throw in a FM every now and again to see how I'm doing. So the race is not so much anymore to 3,000,000 metres or more but to get into top physical shape -- the mean fighting machine I was when I was in the Corps so to speak -- so that I can climb higher.<br /><br />I still have about 40 pounds to lose, and some real work to do on stamina and endurance under stress, before I put down my deposit for "The World's Highest Trek": <a href='http://www.keadventure.com/trip/details ... .php?r=204' target='_blank'>http://www.keadventure.com/trip/details ... p?r=204</a> <br />My trek on the South Face of Mt. Everest last year almost killed me, but I'm smarter now and know the physical shape I need to be in -- the scenery is spectacular but most of the time is spent looking at your feet to see if you can move them one more step up and up and up and up and up and up and up and up and up and up and up while asking yourself why you signed up for this. <br /><br />"The first question which you will ask and which I must try to answer is this, "What is the use of climbing Mount Everest?" and my answer must at once be, "It is no use." There is not the slightest prospect of any gain whatsoever. Oh, we may learn a little about the behavior of the human body at high altitudes, and possibly medical men may turn our observation to some account for the purposes of aviation. But otherwise nothing will come of it. We shall not bring back a single bit of gold or silver, not a gem, nor any coal or iron. We shall not find a single foot of earth that can be planted with crops to raise food. It's no use. So, if you cannot understand that there is something in man which responds to the challenge of this mountain and goes out to meet it, that the struggle is the struggle of life itself upward and forever upward, then you won't see why we go. What we get from this adventure is just sheer joy. And joy is, after all, the end of life. We do not live to eat and make money. We eat and make money to be able to enjoy life. That is what life means and what life is for." George Leigh Mallory, 1922 <br /><br />"If the conquest of a great peak brings moments of exultation and bliss, which in the monotonous, materialistic existence of modern times nothing else can approach, it also presents great dangers. It is not the goal of grand alpinisme to face peril, but it is one of the tests one must undergo to deserve the joy of rising for an instant above the state of crawling grubs. On this proud and beautiful mountain we have lived hours of fraternal, warm and exalting nobility. Here for a few days we have ceased to be slaves and have really been men. It is hard to return to servitude." Lionel Terray <br /><br />"Life is brought down to the basics: if you are warm, regular, healthy, not thirsty or hungry, then you are not on a mountain. . . . Climbing at altitude is like hitting your head against a brick wall - it's great when you stop." Chris Darwin ,The Social Climbers <br /><br />Keep erging on!<br /><br />Mike

[[old] cnapier]

Mike,<br /><br />Funny, the "why" of it never crossed my mind. <br /><br />I highest I've been is 14,400 and I thought the air was thin there, camped at around 9,000.<br /><br />I can't carry a heavy pack because I crushed my L2 vertebra (it looks like a slice of pizza with the end bitten off now, 50% compression of the front edge) when I was 20 so I took to bike touring. Heck really just glad to be walking…<br /><br />I took a shot at the Great Divide Mountain Bike Ride, which sorry to say I failed at due to too much body-fat stressing my knee. I ditched as much gear as I could but was still too heavy and instead of damaging myself I bailed, one of the harder decisions I've had to make. I will make another attempt once I drop another 40 pounds and am under 10% BF.<br /><br />I do enjoy the larger goals, my rowing goal is around the world (40 million should do it) which I am thinking maybe 7 years to accomplish.<br /><br />I've wanted to give fly-fishing a try, looks as though it is very relaxing with periods of heart racing excitement throw in for good measure also I bike past so many inviting streams and rivers.<br /><br />Well its always good to have a goal on the books, yours is a wonderful one that I am sure you will achieve. <br /><br />Take care,<br /><br />Charles<br />

[[old] cnapier]

<!--QuoteBegin-Steelhead+Nov 9 2005, 01:01 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Steelhead @ Nov 9 2005, 01:01 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->snip <br /><br />So, I'm no longer focused on the number of metres rowed but the difficulty and pain; this means that I can't think in terms of metres rowed but in terms of an increase in strength, endurance, and stamina -- although I do need to throw in a FM every now and again to see how I'm doing. So the race is not so much anymore to 3,000,000 metres or more but to get into top physical shape -- the mean fighting machine I was when I was in the Corps so to speak -- so that I can climb higher.<br /><br />snip<br /><br />Keep erging on!<br /><br />Mike <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />You snuck this in while I was repling...<br /><br />But you are correct, the 3 million is just a number - our physical conditioning is the important thing. <br /><br />Charles

[[old] Steelhead]

[quote=cnapier,Nov 9 2005, 12:20 PM][quote=Steelhead,Nov 9 2005, 01:01 PM]snip <br /><br /><br /><br />This team however has been great for me!! <br /><br />Mike

[[old] Rate35]

Hi folks, I just signed up here on the forum and I saw this branch and I thought I could get some advice here. I m not a college or university rower, I m in 16 years old and in high school, grade 11 in ontario. For the CSSRA championships which is the big high school regatta in canada (http://www.cssrarowing.ca/) the lightweight category is 145lbs (66kg) and under. Last year my 4 won the junior 66kg race and this year were hoping to do the senior 66kg 4 this year. Only problem is my weight, I m 6'3, 16 years old and my weight is like 135-140lbs. I dont have a overally hard time keeping it down its just when it goes up I cant bring it down easily. My erg time is still good for a lightweight, on 2k I can do 7:08 and 6k 23minutes exact so thats not a problem.<br /><br />So to my question, do you think me being as tall as I am, and mind you I m quite skinny, do you think its pretty unhealthy for me to be rowing this category, because sometimes I ll wake up in the morning and my joints will sometimes hurt and if I ever get injured I ll be done since I dont have much padding. If I dont excersize for 2 days I ll gain weight rapidly, I just feel like I m playing a dangerous game here, any advice on how to make it better with being able to stay under 145lbs?<br /><br />Thanks<br /><br />

[[old] Steelhead]

<!--QuoteBegin-Rate35+Nov 12 2005, 06:22 PM--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE(Rate35 @ Nov 12 2005, 06:22 PM)</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin-->Hi folks, I just signed up here on the forum and I saw this branch and I thought I could get some advice here. I m not a college or university rower, I m in 16 years old and in high school, grade 11 in ontario. For the CSSRA championships which is the big high school regatta in canada (http://www.cssrarowing.ca/) the lightweight category is 145lbs (66kg) and under. Last year my 4 won the junior 66kg race and this year were hoping to do the senior 66kg 4 this year. Only problem is my weight, I m 6'3, 16 years old and my weight is like 135-140lbs. I dont have a overally hard time keeping it down its just when it goes up I cant bring it down easily. My erg time is still good for a lightweight, on 2k I can do 7:08 and 6k 23minutes exact so thats not a problem.<br /><br />So to my question, do you think me being as tall as I am, and mind you I m quite skinny, do you think its pretty unhealthy for me to be rowing this category, because sometimes I ll wake up in the morning and my joints will sometimes hurt and if I ever get injured I ll be done since I dont have much padding. If I dont excersize for 2 days I ll gain weight rapidly, I just feel like I m playing a dangerous game here, any advice on how to make it better with being able to stay under 145lbs?<br /><br />Thanks <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br />At 16, your body is trying to tell you something: it wants to grow and add muscle; i.e., it wants to be healthy. You need to consult your coach and your family doctor.<br /><br />If you were 5 ft 8 in and weighed 135 that would be great, but at 6 ft 3 in, I'd say you are too thin.<br /><br />

[[old] Rate35]

<!--QuoteBegin--><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td><div class='genmed'><b>QUOTE</b></div></td></tr><tr><td class='quote'><!--QuoteEBegin--><br />At 16, your body is trying to tell you something: it wants to grow and add muscle; i.e., it wants to be healthy. You need to consult your coach and your family doctor.<br /><br />If you were 5 ft 8 in and weighed 135 that would be great, but at 6 ft 3 in, I'd say you are too thin. <br /> </td></tr></table><br /><br /><br />I know but the problem is if I go to say even 155lbs its going to be so much harder to win at CSSRA or even Stotesbury Cup Regatta where ltwt is 150lbs. For the summer I rowed in Senior 140lb as opposed to Junior B and I had to sweat off 3 pounds the morning for weigh in and it wasnt fun to say the least, everyone I saw that day said I looked more thin then usual. Its not that I have a huge problem of staying underweight its just if I gain weight I m gonna have a h*** of a time trying to get back down down 145lbs. I havent seen a doctor because I know he'll say the same thing as my parents are saying and thats that I m to thin and need to gain weight. I havent spoken to my coach yet about since we started on friday but the coach I had throughout the fall for club rowing said again its not right to be this tall and this thin. I ll eat as much as I want all the time and then I ll have my workout and I just lose it all. But if I dont workout then I start to gain weight, and I cant exactly say to my coach sorry I cant do your workout I need to gain weight. I just have a fear when I m older I m going to have some problems from this. <br /><br />Thing is though I also believe it to be some what geneitic, I have a 19 year old brother who just runs like 3 times a week and hes 5'9 130lbs, not as thin as me but still thin. We both eat whatever we want, as much and our weight doesnt change.<br /><br />Do you think this problem of not being able to control my weight is going to hurt me later on in life?