Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by G-dub » November 4th, 2016, 8:07 am

Thanks Piers, Ro and Henry!

When I finished yesterday I was in a sort of "so what" mood about it. It pretty much sucked the whole way and I felt like I was doing it because I had to. And I was just plain tired after it was over without any feeeling of adrenaline or big smile. I think my interval times in the 152 range affect my expectations / desires unnecessarily. BUT - it is a big accomplishment for me to have beat on this distance for awhile and to have finally hung on to the end :D And it does make me want to improve on it Henry - but maybe when I'm a little more rested and ready!
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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by G-dub » November 4th, 2016, 8:09 am

Ro - if you would, send me a PM about how you do images.
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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by G-dub » November 4th, 2016, 8:22 am

Piers - solid 4 x 2 and way to hang in there and get it done. Not sure if you're you are feeling this way, but I know that the need / desire to improve on our splits regardless of how our day or week is going can be daunting each week - especially when we are putting up times that are getting better than we thought we would be able to do anyway!
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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by hjs » November 4th, 2016, 8:30 am

G-dub wrote:Thanks Piers, Ro and Henry!

When I finished yesterday I was in a sort of "so what" mood about it. It pretty much sucked the whole way and I felt like I was doing it because I had to. And I was just plain tired after it was over without any feeeling of adrenaline or big smile. I think my interval times in the 152 range affect my expectations / desires unnecessarily. BUT - it is a big accomplishment for me to have beat on this distance for awhile and to have finally hung on to the end :D And it does make me want to improve on it Henry - but maybe when I'm a little more rested and ready!
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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by mdpfirrman » November 4th, 2016, 10:15 am

Glenn - nice 5K and congrats on the PB! That was awesome.

John N - that was a very nice 10K! Impressive.

Piers - you're looking like you're ready for sub 7 now! That's a really nice 4 X 2K time. You are at least in the 7:05 or so range now.
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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by Slacker » November 4th, 2016, 10:54 am

BPP 11.4
25 min row
@2:18.1 r 18

Turned on the force curve screen and switched to watts display (since I don't have a strong correlation of watts to pace yet and would be less temped to push for a faster pace). Tried to draw pretty curves on the display the whole way.
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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by G-dub » November 4th, 2016, 12:40 pm

30' run + 6K 2:09 r20. Off for the weekend to watch USA v NZ Maori and NZ All Blacks v Ireland in Chicago. A fun rugby weekend. Probably will get a run in
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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by aussieluke » November 4th, 2016, 12:54 pm

A 5.5k run at lunchtime and 100 push-ups in the evening.

Not sure whether to start another cycle of the PP or take some time just doing steady work etc.

Bit tempted to give myself a mental break and limit myself to 30 minute sessions and just do a medium sort of steady-hard UT1 ish pace with no fuss. And free up some time and mental energy to add more running back in too. Just an idea I've been thinking about. No finding time for long ss sessions, no psyching up for hard intervals...
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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by G-dub » November 4th, 2016, 1:29 pm

That sounds nice Luke. Unfortunately I have a race end of January, so I have to keep plugging away. Why not take a couple of weeks easy then roll back in if you feel it? My hunch is that you have more to squeeze out of this if you wanted to. And I could understand it if you are satisfied with what you accomplished already!
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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by john_n » November 4th, 2016, 2:07 pm

jackarabit wrote:@ John N. re: UT HR zones:

UT2 HR-based training zone ( heard "utilization zone 2" which may or may not reference oxygen utilisation and also "low aerobic zone" or "aerobic endurance") defined as 45-60% of 2k power (watts) and/or 65-70% of HRR +RHR.

UT1 HR-based training zone ("high aerobic" or "intense aerobic") defined as 60-70% of 2k power and/or 70-80% of HRR + RHR.

Best explanation, generator, and tables @ Indoor Sports Services, UK. Gotta get back to the Series.
A bit of a late start on everything for me this morning. I’d like to blame it on my wife, for keeping me awake past normal bedtime yesterday but it’s my fault, blah blah blah (blah x 3 = extremely excessive verbiage omitted).

So I’m sitting here drinking coffee when I should already have finished the steady distance PP day 6 recovery session and notice this post from you, Jack, which either you radically edited or I totally missed earlier, even though I did see and read Luke’s post immediately following it.

I’ve concluded that I’m either losing my mind or I overlooked it until now. There is of course also the possibility that both are true.

Anyway, thanks again for responding to my question about UT1 and UT2. There was another post by you, which included an image that also addressed that same question, but this Nov 2nd, 2016 post is spot on and I snapped a screenshot of it and am keeping it on the computer desktop for the time being until the UT1 and UT2 terms find a comfortable place to reside in the indoor rowing room of my mind.

One of the little things that confused me about UT1 and UT2 was the numbers, because another HR zone system I’ve referenced has 5 zones and the first zone, which I think of as zone 1 of that system is its lowest HR zone, with its zone 2 being the next higher HR zone etc.

But UT1 and UT2 are the opposite in that respect, with 1 being the highest and 2 being the lowest of the 2 HR zones. So when I think of UT zones, I will think “1 is first place which always requires harder work than 2 which is second place in oxygen utilization” or something like that and it will make sense to me more quickly when I see it written.

I’m going to put your excellent summary explanation of UT1 and UT2 to work today, by aiming for the UT2 midpoint with today’s PP recovery session with a pace target equal to the midpoint of UT2, 52.5% of recent SB 2K power (watts), which will be a pace of 2:20.6, instead of the 2:18 pace target I used two days ago.

And… congratulations that the team you were rooting for (cheering for, if you’d been in Australia) won the Series this year. I wasn’t paying a lot of attention to the series this year, because I’m a Diamondbacks fan and in lieu of the Diamondbacks was hoping the Dodgers would have been involved. So I didn’t watch any of the Series games this year. But I did keep tabs, with the ESPN app, and had been hoping the Cubs would continue to be lovable losers and the Indians would win, so that Native Americans in the US would have more reason to be happy and/or proud that a baseball team chose to honor them by calling themselves the Indians. :)

A note to all - though I’ll be doing a PP session today, I’ve decided to modify my approach to posting in the forum for at least the near future month or two. I will only post images of session report and graph for the speed, endurance intervals and hard distance sessions each week. When posting those, I’ll include summary results, like is often done by many of you most of the time, for the recovery day sessions. So from now on and for probably at least two months, I’ll only be making 3 posts per week to this forum thread, though I’ll continue to read the forum daily and take careful notes. By doing that, I hope to be able to give more time to other things which I am reminded need more time and attention.
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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by Litewait » November 4th, 2016, 3:33 pm

BPP Week 11.4 25' DF117

25:00.0 5,544m 2:15.2 141 785 22 142
5:00.0 1,107m 2:15.5 141 785 22 134
10:00.0 1,104m 2:15.8 140 781 22 138
15:00.0 1,107m 2:15.5 141 785 21 144
20:00.0 1,111m 2:15.0 142 788 23 147
25:00.0 1,115m 2:14.5 144 795 24 148

SS high UT2 (I guess), target was to just hover around 2:15. Realizing just not enough drive to keep the flywheel spinning reasonably at 20 spm, envious of you guys.
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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by aussieluke » November 5th, 2016, 12:47 am

G-dub wrote:That sounds nice Luke. Unfortunately I have a race end of January, so I have to keep plugging away. Why not take a couple of weeks easy then roll back in if you feel it? My hunch is that you have more to squeeze out of this if you wanted to. And I could understand it if you are satisfied with what you accomplished already!
Bah you've reminded me I MIGHT enter a race on the 19th Nov. Theres an Australia-wide IRC throughout November that that is the Perth date - only problem is my wife is running an event that day and I usually go along and help, so I need to find out what time the mens open 2k is going to be held.

That's two weeks from tomorrow - so I guess I could pick my two favourite PP weeks and do those ...and do as I have been doing and treat the 'hard distance' day as a test.
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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by Bloodbuzz Corio » November 5th, 2016, 7:09 am

PP Sprint Intervals - 4x1000/5:00r - going to stop the counting system because if I was still following the plan to the letter would have been pyramid today. :D

Average of 1:46.8 is -1 to the last time I did this workout (Oct 25) and equal to the quickest I've ever done it (Sep 3).

I was at the gym I sometimes go to that has 4 Model E with PM5s, but the firmware is old enough to have the bug that won't let you set rest periods over 4:15, and actually needs laptop + C2 utility to update (can't just use USB stick). I have updated one of the PMs but it was giving a low battery warning today so I used one of the other ergs, did each interval as a single distance piece and used the stopwatch on my phone for the rest periods. Also means no ergdata data for stroke graphs, but by having the intervals as separate pieces means I got the 200m splits, which is handy because within each piece today I actually had a target for each 200m segment.

I was reading a bit more of Mike C's writing during the week including this post viewtopic.php?t=4190&&start=104 (apologies it's one of the ones that doesn't format well), in which he talks about his pacing strategy for a 4x1000 or 4x2000. Mike's inter-interval targets are on a much narrower spread than mine - in that post he says he'd aim for goal pace (GP) +0.2, GP, GP, GP -0.2 over the 4 intervals, but it's interesting that his intra-interval targets can have up to a 4 second spread in the cases where the GP is a round number of seconds, for example using Mike's approach a 1:46.0 1000m would have the five 200m splits as 1:48, 1:47, 1:46, 1:45, 1:44, and then there are some minor adjustments when the GP is not a round number of seconds, and I decided to use this approach.

So I had targets for each interval and each 200m split within the interval today:

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I was only putting in 3 hard strokes at the start of each interval to get the erg going, but still made up a bit of time in the first 200m of each interval, but on the whole I'm really happy with how close to the targets I got, and I really think having these targets helped - gave me something to concentrate on, and I really liked having my pace dictated by the (realistic) target I'd set and not how I felt.

Apologies for length here - I do realise these aren't earth shattering times and don't necessarily suggest I'll be able to crack 7 again in my upcoming races and prove my PB wasn't an outlier - but I am really stoked with this today - felt in control throughout, PE was only about 8/10 until the last 400m of the 4th interval and very quick recovery afterwards - I certainly feel I've got some upside on these times - on the whole a great way to start the weekend!
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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by G-dub » November 5th, 2016, 9:50 am

Good work Paul. Progress.

Blood - I am going to try that this time. I've got nothing to lose and I think it's my pacing that is one reason for my stuggles on that session. I have been pushing the time down on the first 250 of each interval and maybe it catches up to me by the third or fourth interval. Good work by the way. I appreciate that you don't try to force a split on that session based on 2K and you simply just do it and get the benefit out of the work. You made 7 without worrying about it before, no need to change that now.
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Re: Pete Plan Group - Startup Aug 20th thru 22nd

Post by mudgeg » November 5th, 2016, 11:58 am

PP Beginners Week 10 Optional Day 4

7 x 500m. Plan says target same average pace as this session in Week 7 (1:52) and speed up on the last rep.

1. 1:51.9
2. 1:51.8
3. 1:51.8
4. 1:51.5
5. 1:51.6
6. 1:52.2 (slowed down to save myself for the last rep and got it wrong!)
7. 1:50.0

Slight improvement over Week 7 in that six intervals were sub 1:52. Wanted to break the Week 7 final interval of 1:48.7 but got nowhere near it which was dissapointing.
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